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#4677 Mar 29 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
I think for me, the primary/secondary decision would mostly be based on circumstances. Like, if someone lived farther away it automatically wouldn't be primary. It's also about who can handle it better, I really won't try this again with people who cannot, it's ugly. Just generally, I mean.
#4678 Mar 29 2011 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I dunno.

I'm busy enough as it is trying to keep up with the demands of one relationship. Taking on even a supporting role in a second seems like it'd be a lot of work. I can only open so many jars and squish so many spiders. Though I guess if you can handle more than one, more power to you.

Besides I wouldn't have anytime left for WoW, and that'd be no fun. Smiley: wink
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#4679 Mar 29 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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For me, a relationship that's beyond friendship is about committing to and supporting each other. I can't imagine doing that with more then one person, because almost by definition you're taking support away from the other person unless you're all three in a tri-relationship together.
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#4680 Mar 29 2011 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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I'm busy enough as it is trying to keep up with the demands of one relationship. Taking on even a supporting role in a second seems like it'd be a lot of work. I can only open so many jars and squish so many spiders. Though I guess if you can handle more than one, more power to you.


Well, I can open my own jars. ;)



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#4681 Mar 29 2011 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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To be honest, I don't see the point in having one relationship, let alone more than one. Women are hard work, and I'm lazy as hell. The one piece of advice my dad gave me was don't ever get married. I decided to take it one step further and not even bother with relationships.
#4682 Mar 29 2011 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory wrote:


Well, I can open my own jars. ;)


And the #9 reason to ditch your spouse and go gay is...

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#4683 Mar 29 2011 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
I think having no relationships at all, ever, is kind of strange. :/

I know a couple more people like that. One of them eventually turned around and got involved with her roommate.
#4684 Mar 29 2011 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Well, 19 is probably too young to say that I'm going to stay that way for the rest of my life, but so far, I haven't met anyone (male or female) that I can tolerate spending more than an hour or so with at a time. I think it's safe to assume people spend more time than that with their partners, so I don't think I could have any sort of meaninful relationship with someone that I've already met. That isn't to say that I won't meet someone, but I'm not optimistic.
#4685 Mar 29 2011 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
Different people handle the whole primary/secondary thing differently. Some polyamorous people don't even use the distinction, because they don't like rating their partners. In the first additional relationship I had last year, I put the labels on, even to the point of considering changing my live in bf (who I consider my primary) to a secondary and the new bf to my primary because I felt like we were more compatible. NRE (new relationship energy, that crazy happy feeling you get when you first get together with someone) makes you do crazy things... After that relationship ended because the guy was still an emotional wreck and in the process of getting a divorce, I realized how stupid that was, because my live in bf had been there for me and supported me through that rough time.

For some people, the labels might work. I think if anything, if the relationship is more casual than feel free to call it a secondary relationship. Otherwise it just seems cruel to label your relationships in order of importance. Although, I also think it's possible to have more than one primary because of that distinction. I suppose at the moment, my LD bf would be considered a secondary, but I don't like to think of him that way because I really care for him and I think our relationship has the potential to be something even more amazing than it already is. I'm not in love with him yet, like I am with my live in bf, but it's getting there.

I do think it's really amusing that the two women in this thread are the ones talking about how awesome poly is, and the guys are saying they couldn't do it. I love defying stereotypes.
#4686 Mar 29 2011 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
Oh, I don't think the primary/secondary distinction is necessarily a good thing.

When I was poly, I made it because RJ seemed the most ok with that, but in the end I'm back to square one with him and while it's not perfect, I'm dreading having to leave him in a few months no matter what the conditions of the relationship are, but me going rather far away for the next 7 or more years is too strong an argument. :/


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And yay, defying stereotypes!

Edited, Mar 29th 2011 9:36pm by Kalivha
#4687 Mar 29 2011 at 3:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I do think it's really amusing that the two women in this thread are the ones talking about how awesome poly is, and the guys are saying they couldn't do it. I love defying stereotypes.


Even if you're seeing 3 guys, in the end you know it's your kid. From a male perspective if the relationship works out there's a 2/3 chance of raising someone else's kid the rest of your life. Not necessarily great odds... Smiley: frown
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#4688 Mar 29 2011 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
True, but if everyone is living in a house together, and there's other kids in the house and everyone is one big happy family, does it really matter? I'm adopted, my parents loved me as much as if I had been their own biologically. What's the difference?

Besides, why I said I wouldn't mind not knowing, I would probably get a paternity test done sooner rather than later, for health history reasons if nothing else.
#4689 Mar 29 2011 at 3:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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True, but if everyone is living in a house together, and there's other kids in the house and everyone is one big happy family, does it really matter? I'm adopted, my parents loved me as much as if I had been their own biologically. What's the difference?


It shouldn't matter, and I think to many it probably wouldn't, but to some it would.

There are guys who really don't want or care to have any kids of their own, and may not mind so much. But if you do want to have kids of your own someday, well, it's harder if you're already responsible for someone else's kids. Probably many of the same reasons some guys will shy away from a relationship with a divorced gal who has kids from a previous marriage. A lot of us seem to be wired that way; makes sense from a evolutionary "must get genes pass on" kind of mindset.

Not necessarily defending it, just my observations. *shrugs*

Edited, Mar 29th 2011 3:00pm by someproteinguy
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#4690 Mar 29 2011 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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As much as I would love to entertain the idea of multiple women in my life. I find having just one wife now hard enough. I see it as this.

My wife is like a 3x3 rubic's cube. After enough time and practice I can figure her out quite quickly, but there are still combinations of colors that I will not figure out for years. Now adding another woman onto that is like making it a 4x4, so on and so forth. I'd like to keep it easy with just one.
#4691 Mar 29 2011 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought women were more like 30x30 rubics cubes. With colour changing blocks mixed in, just to fuvk with you.
#4692 Mar 29 2011 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
It honestly depends on the woman. :-) I think most women probably are pretty complicated, because we're culturally taught to be that way. Until I was about 13 or so, my mom was the breadwinner in the family and my dad stayed home and took care of me. Because of that, personality wise I'm pretty androgynous. There are some aspects of my personality that are stereotypically female: I like shopping, I like making myself look pretty, I really enjoy reading, I like cute things, etc. However, there's aspects of my personality that are stereotypically male too: I like getting dirty, I love food and don't really pay attention to what I eat as long as it tastes good, I don't play mind games or guilt trip people, I don't like gossip, I really don't care what celebrities are doing with their lives, and I really like sex. I consider myself to be a fairly simple woman as far as complications go. I do think I'm complex, but in the good way, like there's multiple layers to me. My live in bf gets me. I don't confuse him, although I definitely frustrate him sometimes. He confuses me sometimes though. =/

TL;DR version: I'm weird.
#4693 Mar 29 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
TL;DR version: I'm weird.


Girls are weird.

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#4694 Mar 29 2011 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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I thought women were more like 30x30 rubics cubes. With colour changing blocks mixed in, just to fuvk with you.


Smiley: lol
#4695 Mar 29 2011 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
Okay, maybe I should edit that and say "I'm a weird girl" instead.
#4696 Mar 29 2011 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, maybe I should edit that and say "I'm a weird girl" instead.

You would be redudant, that way...
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#4697 Mar 29 2011 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I do think it's really amusing that the two women in this thread are the ones talking about how awesome poly is, and the guys are saying they couldn't do it. I love defying stereotypes.


Didn't know the stereotypical male was into having multiple girlfriends. Sex with multiple partners, sure, but multiple strings attached? Why? Makes no sense to actively seek out that much drama. Smiley: confused

Speaking of which, what's the difference between polyamory and friends with benefits?
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I think polyamory probably refers to multiple relationships. I'm not sure having multiple friends with benefits counts.

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True, but if everyone is living in a house together, and there's other kids in the house and everyone is one big happy family, does it really matter? I'm adopted, my parents loved me as much as if I had been their own biologically. What's the difference?


I think the act of adopting is significant though. When most people marry someone with kids, they don't adopt their stepchildren. So your authority in the household dynamic comes through your spouse. And it makes the balance of power a little weird, I'd imagine.

But when you adopt the kids, they are now legally your children. You no longer gain your power from the spouse. Even though this may not make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things, I feel like it probably has a significant impact on the actual emotions of the family members. For instance, you'd be more comfortable disagreeing with your spouse over issues relating to the kids, because it isn't like they are "their kids" anymore--they are "our kids."

I can't comment on a system where they don't adopt, but my dad is technically the step father of my elder sisters, from my mom's first marriage. When they got married, he legally adopted them. And he's never been their step father in our family dynamic (or, at least, he was no longer by the time I was born, 5 years after they got married). He's their father, legally. And they never call him their stepdad when referring to him to their friends/partners. I can't help but feel that, had he remained just a step dad, whose authority came from my mother, the dynamic of the family might change this.

But, on his end, I think adopting them made it real for him that they were now his kids. They weren't baggage that came with the marriage, they were children he legally decided to make his own--to provide for even should he and my mother divorce. As such, there has never been any bias in my family towards my brother and me (his biological children). Quite honestly, I usually forget that they are my half siblings. The only possible favoritism is towards my brother, who he can relate to the most. And that has nothing to do with blood--it's entirely sports related, lol.

Though, the fact of who their real father was probably helped cement my dad as their own. My mother divorced because her first husband was an alcoholic who refused to recognize his problem, and it became too much (she married at 18 and had my eldest sister just after turning 20). This meant that he ended up as kinda an absentee dad. The legal agreement was that my mother would have them during the week and he got weekends (or every-other, I can't remember). But he'd often never show up to get them, and when he did he'd end up being drunk most of the time. There wouldn't be food in his apartment, etc. I know on a few occasions my dad wouldn't let their father take them, because he'd show up at our house drunk. So they both asked my mom to stop the visits (and they couldn't have been older than 8 and 12).

He was pretty much completely out of their life from then on until he died several years later (from something to do with his liver). My mother made sure they kept in touch with their father's relatives--their uncle, primarily--but he wasn't really their father any more.

So it may be that they were perfectly willing to make my father their own, since he was willing to do the same.

I didn't really intend to write this, lol, it kinda just came out. But my point is that dynamics can change in significant ways by what gives parents power in a relationship. If they have to rely on someone else to gain power, it's probably going to hinder their equality as parents. If they have legal recourse, though, it means that they can feel about the kids as if they are their own (because they are, just not where dna is concerned). I don't know how many parents a single child can have in the US. But I imagine you need to marry in order for someone else to adopt your child (without first giving up your own right).

I may be completely wrong, but it feels to me that this would be a big issue in there being true equality amongst parents in a poly-amorous family. It's something adoption laws could fix, though, I imagine.

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Part of my reason for thinking adoption is significant is that, before their marriage, my father's family were dead set against him marrying my mother, because she came with kids. They thought she was wonderful, but opposed the match completely. After they got married and my father adopted my sisters, they all kinda acted more like they were step kids than children. They never favored my brother and I, per se, but my sisters have always felt that a few of my aunts had a certain stiffness towards them that didn't exist for my brother and I (my two uncles, who were really close with my dad, never opposed the match to begin with).

My grandmother, on the other hand, had been dead set against the marriage. But, after my father adopted the girls, dropped all disapproval altogether. I attribute this to her seeing my sisters, through the adoption, as now truly being her grandchildren (daughters of her son). I doubt heavily that that would have happened if they were only stepchildren. My aunts, who didn't have the same kind of link (that of parenthood), never really got there (at least mostly--I think one aunt doesn't feel that way, but she was the closest to my father of his sisters).

I doubt anyone but Pigtails will be interested in reading this, but meh--I felt it was worth sharing. :P

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#4699 Mar 30 2011 at 5:32 AM Rating: Good
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idiggory wrote:
I think polyamory probably refers to multiple relationships. I'm not sure having multiple friends with benefits counts.


How do you define a relationship? Unless you get a legally binding contract (marriage/registered partnership) on it, what exactly is the difference between being in a relationship with someone and just being friends with benefits? I mean, I get the whole love aspect, but how do you define love?

From Pigtail's posts I got the feeling she's poly because each boyfriend satisfied certain needs of hers, which is the purpose of friends with benefits as well. Hence the 'friends' and 'benefits' part. You're not sex buddies with someone you don't click with. At least that's not how it worked for me.

I guess it boils down to me being overly narrow-minded and/or conservative. Can't wrap my head around the concept of being in love with multiple people. To me there's a huge difference between being in love with someone and wanting to have sex with someone. I want to have sex with Kate Beckinsale, but I'm not in love with her.
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#4700 Mar 30 2011 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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I guess it's just as inexplicable to Pigtails and Kali how you can be completely satisfied with one person, or not in love with multiple people as it is for you to have feelings for more than one person.
#4701 Mar 30 2011 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
I had a loooong discussion about this with my twin-person, and we're similar enough to actually get a lot out of those discussions.

Bottom line was that part of my inclination to be poly is because my first real relationship was semi-open, or we got others involved sometimes to some degree and going into a relationship where I wasn't even allowed to check out other people was awful.

I also think that I really crave the feeling of being with someone new in a meaningful way. I totally get just having sex but I prefer having somewhat meaningful relationships with the people I sleep with. And new people are a different kind of fun, for the first few months!

That being said, I'm currently not very bothered about the lack of poly in my life because everyone I am interested in is conveniently far away and either needs to be persuaded or is too decent to get me to cheat on RJ with them, or is too insane for me to even bother. But yeah, there's a list. There will probably always be a list, until I am an old lady.



As for the whole parents thing, my stepfather (who married my mother when I was 19 or 20, I think) has started trying to be a better father than my real dad - he is company-wise, anyway (he's funny and a scientist), and he's started giving me the same amount of money or more every time my dad gives me something and he hears of it. When he heard my dad was giving me €50 for my birthday, he gave my mum the same amount to send me while we were on the phone.
He has an insane amount of control in the marriage, though. He keeps my mum in check better than I ever thought possible, which still isn't perfect but she's much more bearable when he's there.
For my brother, neither his biological father (who ran off 3 days before the wedding) nor my dad (who's a drunk and just... not very intellectually stimulating) are a clear father-figure. I don't think he's had one, really, but I know that he has no real relationship to either of them; he has a good one to my mum's new husband, but then he's just a great guy.


ETA: Oh, Æeth, I can be with one person. Sometimes. I don't seem to be able to be with no one, the one time I tried, it ended in casual sex with my ex for a few months until I started dating RJ.

Edited, Mar 30th 2011 12:51pm by Kalivha
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