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There's a new build tomorrow, with some nice changes for Retribution Paladins to keep their mana on top.



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The new glyph is better than SA in terms of healing damage from SoB/SoM. You are still going to have to get healed when using the seal, but the mana returns will instantly be given to you, instead of having to wait for a heal, and it's 11% instead of 10% (though it's equivalent to the old SoB glyph with SA)

Also 25% base mana from every judgement (more if you are judging SoB or SoM) means full mana in 28 - 32 seconds without Divine Plea.

Edit: Also, interesting strikeout on Crusader Strike. If they do eventually make that change, it will make things rather interesting. More like a Mortal Strike but at the source and will be really nice against spellcasters. And a nice 10% buff to Divine Storm.

Edited, Mar 24th 2009 12:21am by CapJack

This looks really promising indeed.

Except for the CS part. Spellcasters, mostly healers, will have no problem dispelling it I think. So it will probably be better to just stun the healer with HoJ or Repentance. The mana part is great though shouldn't be a problem anymore now. Righteous Vengeance for CS is also very nice.

Overall a nice update.

But I hope they will do something interesting with CS.

,Zig

I found a quote you may be interested in, using the MMO-Champion Blue Tracker:



The topic is titled "Mandatory glyph to fix a broken mechanic?" and at the time of posting this was on the first page of the Blue Tracker :)

EDIT: no matter how hard I try, I can't seem to spell "the" when I am typing fast >.>

Edited, Mar 24th 2009 7:41am by Maulgak

did i not call that?

makes the T8 4 set bonus a little more appealing.

CS now has
-Talented buff from damage Sanctity of Battle (15%)
-Talented Buff from Art of War (10%)
-libram buffed damage (static +115.5)
-pvp gloves buffed damage (5%)
-a dot on crits (30% of damage over 8 sec)
-4 set bonus of +10% crit (which is also more dot up time)
-soon blizz will figure out a secondary effect . .

all and all, CS is looking rather bloated.

Edit: forgot AoW buff . . .

Edited, Mar 25th 2009 8:32am by RuenBahamut

also, i'd like to add that the Glyph of SoB is more then likely never going to be needed. when i solo i dont need SA, on Patchwork is iffy (sometimes i need a pot) so this buff to JotW will really make it so i dont need SA.

with the way raid buffs work and all. i see little reason to expect to "have to" take GoSoB.

i suspect my glyphs will be
-judgment
-exorcism
-either consicrate(so CDs line up, not so much the mana) or 50% HoW CD during AW one.

i'm thinking Consecration may be taking a backseat. with the buffs to the rest of our rotation, i may prioritize it as last unless im around more than 2 mobs. i may have to get more +hit and +exp also.

i hope they keep changing the Ret playstyle every week. its exciting to keep relearning to play. at least they left Forbearance alone this time.

True. It saves mana and helps to avoid cd collisions from happening even moreso than they do now, hence why it's a staple glyph for us now I suppose.

I'm still a bit iffy about the new glyph as we are essentially taking up a glyph slot now for what SA and the old SoB glyph used to give us, and we all know the old SoB glyph was garbage compared to Cons/CS/HoW glyphs. And it doesn't really address the issue that we're not helping our healers any. I'm not in a top-end raiding guild, but we do fairly well, and most times I don't afford to use SoB on Patchwerk, Loatheb or Sapph. Even on Kel fights it's a tad dangerous since if I get frost tombed, I'll usually drop a lot faster than one of the other melee dps (DKs, Rogues, Wars) who are only taking damage from the AoE frostbolts throughout the fight, whereas I'm taking those and the recoil off my SoB. =/

I know some people will tell me to find a better guild then, but I like the one I'm in. The people are awesome and the raiding fits my schedule. They're also not min/max'ers, but at the same point in time I'm usually in the top 3 for DPS on bosses (aside from Spider Quarter, where I drop a spot or two) until I run into one of the aforementioned fights, and I drop to like seventh or eighth or something because I either had to switch to Command so I don't kill myself with the recoil or Wisdom as DP, AT and a mana pot aren't enough to keep me going.