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and this


don't make a lot of sense to me. Why take only 1 point in SA and put 1 point in a more or less useless talent?

Other than that, it looks darned near what I'm thinking of doing. Actually, until this crap with SA I was really excited cause I had plenty of points to finally get Pursuit of Justice without having to sacrifice anything else I wanted. This isn't the case now, so I think I'm going to go 3/5 Seals of the Pure so I can have Pursuit of Justice. There's debate on whether the run speed is worth it, but I feel it is, and miss not having it (ever JUST make it behind an ice block on Sapphiron?? -.-).

I'm also wondering about the Divine Sacrifice talent. Must have? Situational? Considering I'm always MT when in a run now (occasionally add duty, but it's quite rare), I can't see that I'd use this ability. I'd imagine it would be of more use to tanks who are not MT all the time, or are always an OT, or even those who are not tanks and choose to dip into the Prot tree. I've been about just skipping it, but if I did take it, that would be one less point in Seals of the Pure. Might just be better to take Improved Might at that point for when running 5/10 mans.

EDIT: for anyone who might say anything, yea I could go with Tuskaar's Vitality instead of 22 stam. Depends on where my other "free" talents go I guess. Not pinned down to a decision yet :)

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 2:43am by Maulgak

Question for the tanks (Haven't tanked yet at 80, although did some in the mid-70s)

Will it be worth it to cut into your rotation every 15 seconds to put Divine Plea up? Sure you can have 100% up time with it, but is it worth the cooldown if it's unnecessary because you are taking massive damage, and getting massive mana returns from SA if you spec into it?

The way I see it, having this talent means you never are missing a direct source of mana. If you are fighting a boss that isn't doing much damage, and you just aren't getting enough mana returns, this talent will guarantee that Divine Plea will be ready to use. Of course you don't want to use it when you are already oom, but if you see yourself headed that way, popping it will help.

Or maybe it won't be a big deal. But from my experience, bosses that hit hard you want to burn down asap, which means the dps will be on top of their game, and the tank needs to be on top of their threat, and cutting into threat generating moves 4 times a minute for mana which would be unnecessary with a full 2/2 SA may be a problem. Similarly, if you are an OT, and you aren't taking damage but you need to remain 2nd on threat, popping DP constantly would be worth it to keep your mana up since you won't get mana returns from SA or BoSanc.

ty Jack for pointing some things out about mana regen. Not every boss with be "Patchwerk". What about "Loatheb"? I have so many mana issues on Loatheb. What about "Gothik the Harvester"? What about OTing or tanking adds? Sure, SA won't be necessary in every situation, but it's equally likely to not be useless in all situations.

As for your actual question Jack, no I don't believe "cutting into your rotation" will be a big deal at all. I mean, I don't even really use any kind of a rotation when tanking, and I never have threat issues. I have certain spells that I place at a higher priority than others, but I don't stick to a strict rotation. Particularly a fight where I can spam every ability (Exorcism/Holy Wrath included) non-stop.

Oh I thought the talent refreshed the CD of Divine Plea, not the duration.


Forget my earlier post then, that makes the talent a whole lot better than I thought!

The Buff Divine Plea is refreshed directly, essentially making Divine Plea "fire and forget" at the onset of any fight.

Unless they make serious changes to the way that mana is used while tanking, it looks like its going to be an infinite resource against everything. Where it used to be infinite against bosses when appropriatly geared and some trash... with all of the regen mechanics we're looking at now you should be able to outgear single trash mobs by a mile and still stay topped up.

We have a form of restoration that indirectly reacts to taking damage (and was *nearly* enough on its own in TBC for instance/raid use -- with some limitations) -- a form of restoration that reacts to avoiding damage -- and a form of active restoration that can be treated like a massive mp5 boost that you dont have to monitor while fighting. Not only that, but two of those forms of mana regeneration also reduce damage taken across the board.

Remember though, Divine Plea is dispellable once again :(

EDIT: cause I sometimes fail at quoting :P

Edited, Mar 25th 2009 7:50pm by Maulgak

Hmm, is that a more recent addition? I don't recall seeing it before (actually, had to run off to MMO-Champ to make sure it was real - sorry >.<).

Edited, Mar 26th 2009 9:12am by Maulgak

Guarded by the Light: (2 ranks)
Reduces spell damage taken by 3%/6% and gives a 50%/100% chance to refresh the duration of your Divine Plea when you hit an enemy. In addition, your Divine Plea is 50%/100% less likely to be dispelled.

Divine Plea now only reduces the amount healed by your Flash of Light, Holy Light, and Holy Shock spells.

/sigh