I wonder how I wasn't specific enough that my planned build, as in "I'm going with this and PvE ers won't like this one" was a PvP build. (Yes yes, I know It's missing Divine Purpose).
Anyhow, if you want my word on what a PvE build would be, if it's not too obvious already, here goes:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=00000000000000000000000000050000000000000000000000005232051003331302133231331&glyph=000000000000&version=9704
There, that's your full Ret PVE DPS build. And that's ALL of it, with
nothing missing. SoC included because you can get to times when you can wish you had it and don't.
If I were doing a PvE build I would throw the 13 remaining points around these:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=00000000000000000000000000553200000300000000000000005232051003331302133231331&glyph=000000000000&version=9704
Or you could shoot for aura mastery and imp LoH. But I somehow don't see aura mastery being that big in PvE. 10 sec duration on a 2 min cooldown (last I checked) sounds more like a PvP ability than something for PvE, but whatever, everything has it's unintended uses... Not that it actually matters since, after all, you're not losing anything relevant to DPS to spec for it.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=05050102000000000000000000050000000000000000000000005232051003331302133231331&glyph=000000000000&version=9704
But in any case, you actually
CAN Just ignore those 13 talent points and not put them anywhere at all and your DPS will not suffer from that.
As for how PvE and PvP gems and enchants are different. In addition to str and AP enchants/gems you have to balance it with a truckload of stamina and resilience for PvP, and mostly ignore hit, with 3% +hit I'm plenty done for PvP.
Also, if you're the only Paladin in a group or raid, you're most likely not judging JoL, you're judging JoW, specially after the impending mana nerf that will come with 3.1.
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As far as Xorq's what looks like a PvP build, I'd definitely rather have fanaticism over say swift retribution. Swift retribution will give you a nice increase to your burst wtfpwn while swift retribution is more a sustained DPS talent.
I might. With SoC I just use repentance and stun to force the crits. Swift I took because I think it helps healers and casters and healers with casting times. But I'll think about it.