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#1 Mar 19 2009 at 10:38 AM Rating: Default
If you are a shadow priest or a disc prist you should be holy now at least until the patch when you can duel spec. I was until a few days ago shadow with 6 purple from bgs. However you should know by now you can only get the best gear now in raids and heroics. As shadow i tried to get in these groups. People would debate my current gear or switch me out at the last moment for a better dps. So I went holy after reading the trade channels and seeing everyone ask for healers. Now I can get in any group I want, no one has asked me any questions about me gear nor have I been replaced. I did a 10 man raid on the last boss for 20 minutes, then they formed a 25 man raid for another boss, half an hour later I had an epic purple chest piece as there were no other priests in the raid. I have been bouncing around from one group to another, if a group doesnt have its act together you can find another in about 2 minutes. I am getting badges of valor and heroism which I figure I will just save for shadow gear and of course I will be trying to get any gear for my priest that drops that is good for shadow. Seriously, if you are having any problems getting into groups go holy. Even those groups that advertise that they want your stats and achievements ahead of time. I say I am holy, they dont ask me( even though my stats are good now). I can see how you need to be disc or shadow for leveling, and I love shadow, but this is the easiest way to get the gear. Just make sure you but some points in disc to lower your threat, and save your guardian spirit for yourself. good luck
#2 Mar 19 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
Well, you have found out that healing priests are needed. When the healing gear drops, you have a good shot at it. Give it a good try, you may find you enjoy it.

I would clarify that a healer of either disc or holy can do the job and will be sought after. Discipline isn't just for pvp anymore. The cookie cutter holy or disc builds will do fine to get you started.

Threat reduction with silent resolve is generally not needed, since tanks generate more threat now and fade will usually handle things if it's possible to do so. The one talent you absolutely should have as disc or holy is meditation, to allow mana regen while casting.

Good luck healing. Welcome to the light.
#3 Mar 19 2009 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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not so sure about the OPs theory.
1. most guilds LFM are seeking dps since they usually have a solid core of healers and tanks.
2. usually only 1 healer spot for heroics vs 3 dps
3. healing spec is tougher for grinding and questing during downtime
4. AH purples and crafteds will get you a min wow-heroes rating of +1700 alone, many are often better than drops
5. gl rolling for "offset" gear in PUG raids

better advice would be to join a good guild and/or get a good group of friends and play how you wanna play.
#4 Mar 20 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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tommyguns wrote:
not so sure about the OPs theory.
1. most guilds LFM are seeking dps since they usually have a solid core of healers and tanks.


What server are you on? No, seriously, what server?

I would say for every raid in LFG looking for DPS, there are probably 2 or 3 looking for a tank or a healer. That number is probably doubled for heroics, for every 1 heroic looking for a DPS there are probably 5 or 6 looking for a tank or healer.

Most guilds do have a solid core of tanks and healers, and that is the problem. Because they are a solid core, they usually find their DPS within the guild, that leaves the rest of the guild DPS to fend for themselves when it comes to tanks and healers, ultimately forced to PuG, which results in a hell of a lot more LF1M Tank or Healer than LF1M Dps.

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2. usually only 1 healer spot for heroics vs 3 dps


Yes, but as my above response said, there are a lot more groups looking for a tank or a healer than there are groups looking for DPS. As DPS you are a dime a dozen.

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3. healing spec is tougher for grinding and questing during downtime


Tougher doesn't mean hard. Yes it probably would have been faster to level as shadow, but I had no downtime when leveling as holy from 70-80. Was very easy to solo as holy.

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4. AH purples and crafteds will get you a min wow-heroes rating of +1700 alone, many are often better than drops


Yes, but those cost gold, and while it is easy to get gold, that could have been money spent on something else.

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5. gl rolling for "offset" gear in PUG raids


You would be surprised how often things go to off specs, because otherwise they would be sharded. My first naxx run on my elemental Shaman was a PuG, I walked away with 2 weapons and 2 pieces of armor for an enhance set, and that was with a 10m raid that had 2 hunters.

Heroics are even better for getting off-spec gear, I've sharded far more gear than I care to count on my priest, to the point where I ask people specifically if they want it for off-spec.

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better advice would be to join a good guild and/or get a good group of friends and play how you wanna play.


That's true, won't can't argue with that.

What it boils down to, which I have said quite a few times, it's about which is more important, your desire to raid or your desire to play a specific role.

If your desire to raid is more important than your desire to play a specific role, then go heals, if you are good, you will get a lot more runs. At the same time you tend to be one of the first blamed when things go wrong, regardless of actual fault. So that is a burden to bear.

If your desire to play a specific was is more important than your need to raid, then play that way, the gear will come in time, the current content isn't really that demanding for gear anyway so it shouldn't be a major problem.

Edit: Figured I should read the OPs full post since I sort of responded to it as well... man it's a pretty bad post...

The comment about saving guardian spirit for yourself, yeah that makes sense. Oh look the tank is a 5% guess I should cast GS on myself because when he dies the mob will go after me next... oh wait if I use it on the tank he won't die... dur.

Also the comments about Disc have already been covered, yeah, they can heal instances and raids too now.

Edited, Mar 20th 2009 3:11pm by SynnTastic
#5 Mar 20 2009 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Healers are always in demand but Disc can heal every bit as well as Holy. I say do what you want to do. If your goal is gear sure go Holy/Disc and heal you will get into groups easier but if your goal is to play and enjoy yourself stay shadow if it makes you happy.

You can actually have a viable Naxx raiding set of shadow gear from mainly crafted gear and rep rewards well enchanted. It is possible to spec a priest or other cloth dps for Naxx pretty easily, especially since the gear is BOE, although it is expensive if you have to buy as synn says.

Btw synn speaks the truth from my experience of PUGS.

Edited, Mar 20th 2009 3:16pm by ysabellstohelit
#6 Mar 20 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I would say for every raid in LFG looking for DPS, there are probably 2 or 3 looking for a tank or a healer. That number is probably doubled for heroics, for every 1 heroic looking for a DPS there are probably 5 or 6 looking for a tank or healer.


first off, let me clarify. when i say LFM i dont mean the "LFG interface" or the chat channel. i mean guilds actually looking to fill a raid spot with a PUGer. this usually comes about from a friends list or from another respectable guild. a good guild will rarely seek out a tank or healer in a general chat...when they do, you better have the prerequisites.

if you are LFG for PUG Vault, you are very correct. tanks and healers are always first priority and then the remaining spots are first-come-first-serve DPS, which fill rather quickly.



next, dont confuse the # of available tanks and healers with the # of willing tanks and healers. my main is a block cap pally tank. i will not join a group of 3 dps in the LFG interface. often, i will choose my healer and then i will fill the dps spots. usually the dps spots are people i know, the remainder is based on what class might be better. i will say this: I LOVE SHADOW PRIESTS! i played Shadow in all of BC so i know what they bring and what they can do.

this brings us to another point: if you excel in what you do, you will find groups regardless of your spec. my Ret pally does 3.2k dps in H CoS drake runs. i have a far easier time finding good heroics and raids as a Ret pally than any other way. in fact, i am invited to a H Naxx clear tonight because i am Ret and the guild knows why you bring one. my priest has the hardest time getting the heroic dungeon tailor pattern because i cant get a group for H Occ or H HoS(or at least complete it) even given the fact that i'm a +2.2k Disc healer.

so yes, if you want a welfare heroic run from LFG you will have an easier time finding one as a Holy priest(enjoy the silly wipes). if you want solid raid runs, represent yourself correctly.




#7 Mar 20 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree..... with the fact that I get invited to Naxx pugs all the time. Actually I get invited to Heroics all the time too. I'm not in a guild and get invited to those all the time too. I usually say no to most of them, but have no problem getting one when I want. I do have a full t7 gear for Holy and have been winning shadow off spec (for 3.1 duelspecing) a lot now.... 3 t7 + heroic purples.
I've never been shadow or disc. Love Holy. When invited I ask who the tanks are and look them up on Armory, then decide if I want to go.
Akama is well populated with tanks, overpopulated with dps (aren't all servers?) and under pop with heals... from what I can tell.

The reason I'm adding my 2 copper?
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Yes, but as my above response said, there are a lot more groups looking for a tank or a healer than there are groups looking for DPS. As DPS you are a dime a dozen.
And as a dime a dozen, we can pick and choose who we want in the pug!

I love this. Everyone wants to do damage (drip with sarcasm). So many changes brought around to this game because of the dps QQs (oh please... my priest doesn't do enough damage... boo hoo ROLL A MAGE!). And in the 2 years I've been playing what are the most looked for classes in lfg, trade or even guilds? Tanks and Heals. I'm always at the bottom of the dps meter, and love it. I don't even bother casting a SW:Pain. But I'm always #1 or 2 on the healing list!......Damn Disc Priest!!! :-) Love you brothers and sisters!...... Side note I've never seen such healing perfection as a Disc and Holy priest healing a 10 man. So awsome!!

Anyway.
Drink more rum!

#8 Mar 21 2009 at 5:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Simskin wrote:
Side note I've never seen such healing perfection as a Disc and Holy priest healing a 10 man. So awsome!!


The two specs compliment each other amazingly, especially if played well. I ran Naxx 10 man as Disc with a Holy priest and a Resto Druid and it was fantastic. I was on MT and the Holy Priest mainly healed OT and some group heals on our group and the druid healed the other group and himself throwing extra our way if needed. They are a couple so I let them fight it out tbh but I think they healed like me and my hubby do where they shout randomly at each other through the process.

Whatever they did it worked so well and we cleared 3 quarters in the fastest time our guild has ever done. Go priests!

Edited, Mar 21st 2009 9:03am by ysabellstohelit
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