What's Blizz idea about Spiritual Attunement?Follow

My question is mainly related to the Paladin change on the patch notes.



For those who don't know that's the ability for paladins to recover mana when they receive heals, which is necessary for tanking, otherwise you'd run out of mana half way trough a pull. Warriors, DKs and Druids don't need that because they are not limited by mana mechanics so they keep ticking for as long as the fight lasts. (While the warrior rage mechanic may be a bit broken for pvp, that would be a reason to fix warriors, not to break the other classes).

If I remember correctly they once stated that they didn't want to have only one spec be a viable tank. That different specs would be able to tank, just they would do it in different ways. This wasn't said in respect to paladins only, also about DKs and warriors.

In addition the full threat bonuses went to base so that they didn't require talents and some tanking abilities were given to both warriors and paladins without requiring protection spec. DKs were created with their tanking abilities as base abilities too.

So are they reverting that? In addition it would also mean that prot Paladins will also not be able to tank until they have enough level to reach that talent. Which is even more strange.

Also, what's the deal going to be with the Glyph of Seal of Blood? This is what it says on the patch notes OF THE SAME PATCH.



For those who don't understand, seal of blood is a seal that does damage to both the target and the paladin, and this is used for PvE dps because being healed gives mana recovery as result of Spiritual Attunement. If Spi Att becomes a deep prot talent, only tank paladins will have it.

So does blizz want Spi Att to be part of Pally dps mechanics or not? Both lines of the same patch note point in opposite directions!

Besides if they didn't want Spi Att to be used for DPS why don't they just link it up as part of Righteous Fury (The threat buff)?

With respect to SoB/SoM, my guess would be that the glyph will be changed to eliminate(or reduce) the recoil and JotW will be buffed to compensate for mana issues.

Prot spec cant tank effectively til at least lvl 30. so low lvl talents and spells are moot. the current change to SA is mainly a shot in the dark attempt at regen design.

the Ret aspect of losing SA will result in a redesign of SoB. however, it would be simpler to just get rid of SoB and buff SoR to replace it.

Nerf to pallies, depending on the fight a big nerf in raid situations. Though Blizzard very hamfistedly stated something along the lines that Holy pallies are too strong in pvp therefore its getting removed and its like "ummmmm we don't have anyone else healing us in 2v2 or 3v3".

That being said its part of scaling back endless mana on healers so they can balance raid encounters without having to throw insane raid damage at healers. They stated they wanted it to be deep in Prot and Ret. So its weird its not in the ret tree, which makes broken glyph broken. The patch is 3-6 weeks away at the earliest though so things may change with ret.

I think in general they were looking for ways to standardize Ret's mana regen. The current system leads to tons of mana on AoE heavy fights and less mana on fights without AoE (e.g. Patchwerk). If they tune Ret's regen to be appropriate for when they're not taking a lot of AoE damage, then they get ~unlimited resources on fights were they are taking a lot of splash damage.

While I'm not sure I agree with it, removing Spiritual Attunement from Ret is their way to try to enable easier "tuning" of Ret's mana regen through Judgments of the Wise.

meh, SA for Ret was broken anyway.

-JoL and DS covers ~75% of our self-dmg. we get no SA effect on self heals.
-our biggest mana draining abilites don't even get SA love.
-our extra tax on healers and our ability to stay alive is just dumb.
-if we don't take splash dmg, we go oom. i've actually sat in a fart cloud on purpose during Vault because i was low on mana and had no pots.

It is, at least in good part.

I was discussing it from a Ret perspective, but there's no doubt that Holy mana regen was being nerfed for harder fights too.

i really dont want them to buff JotW, Judgements are already too bloated of an ability.

id rather them just make seal of blood a deep ret talent that could return mana by % of damage, and also an imp SoComm talent (merged with the SoB talent even) that improves SoComm's PvP viability, or even make SoComm a passive Ret ability to begin with.

Edit: as for Ret tanking viability while lvling, when we get access to JotW the lack of SA will not be an issue.

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 10:24am by RuenBahamut

just scanned the first five post but i'm guessing lots of aoe damange and dont want pally healers not being worried about mana due to other healers healing them. it would give pallies a huge advantage over the other healers if they waste mana to heal pally rather than pally heal themselvs. that just my guess. i mean they are putting a glyph in druid to make the aoe heal hit 6 instead of 5 and think they are doing same with circle of healing.. thats just my guess though havent tooken time to read fights on mmo yet to see how they are being handled.

So I was browsing MMO-Champion today during the downtime and read some of the reasoning on the changes. Here is a few quotes if anyone is confused on the change.