So I took a break from the game, and am thinking of returning.
Here is my main question. It seems that from reading up on instances and raids in WoTLK that there is much more splash damage going around. I know that being holy I will have plenty of tricks to help me deal with this, circle of healing, holy nova, and prayer of mending, but I was wondering if any of you have specced into Lightwell to overcome all the aoe damage jumping around?
It seems that, especially in a raid format, if everyone was aware and ready to use the Lightwell, this could be a viable spell to use for raid healing. In my mind with the change to lightwell that now only cancels the effects of its heal over time if the person takes 30% of their max health in damage this seems like a great way to do some raid healing.
The only draw back I could see would be relying on dps (not the brightest types sometimes) to be aware and actually use the lightwell.
Any thoughts? Have you all started to train people to use the Lightwell? Is this even a viable option??
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Actually picking it up is not something that's going to work against you, but right now the spell is completely lackluster. Raid healing at the moment is the act of spamming quick spells like flash heal on whoever gets low. It simply takes too much time and effort to summon the Lightwell to a right place, have the DPS notice and click it when they get low, and for you (ánd other healers) to realize that a DPS has used the Lightwell and doesn't require a Flash Heal from your side anymore.
Darn!
I all ways wanted that spell to be viable and finally thought it may be. Perhaps blizzard should think about have the Lightwell work more like a shammies healing totem.
I think Ill still pick it up for ***** and giggles.
I all ways wanted that spell to be viable and finally thought it may be. Perhaps blizzard should think about have the Lightwell work more like a shammies healing totem.
I think Ill still pick it up for ***** and giggles.
What's lightwell? (j/k)
I'll be the first to admit I may have a slight issue with control, but I hate hate hate leaving someone in charge of their own healing. I don't even like leaving the pets at the mercy of their hunters. In my experience, nobody but the healers are watching health bars. Including their own.
(Which frankly is as it should be. Nothing worse than that PUG tank who doesn't know you and is constantly watching his health bar and second guessing you.)
(Which frankly is as it should be. Nothing worse than that PUG tank who doesn't know you and is constantly watching his health bar and second guessing you.)
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Hell no.
Longer answer: Roll shadow! :D
Edited, Mar 16th 2009 1:14am by IDrownFish
Long answer: Hell no.
Longer answer: Roll shadow! :D
Edited, Mar 16th 2009 1:14am by IDrownFish
From what I have seen a handful of priests on the entire server have picked this up simply so they can put it down in the middle of Org and have people wandering past looking confused as they have never seen one before...
I am yet to meet anyone who has seen one used in combat.
I am yet to meet anyone who has seen one used in combat.
I wonder if it would be viable in arena if one choose to arena as Holy (points at teacake).
Good point Teacake. I forget that ill be the only one focused on health bars. Although, I still think Lighwells are a good option given the right situation. Whats up with this boss that has a dance faze? Perhaps there??
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In my experience, nobody but the healers are watching health bars. Including their own.
Good point Teacake. I forget that ill be the only one focused on health bars. Although, I still think Lighwells are a good option given the right situation. Whats up with this boss that has a dance faze? Perhaps there??
VomicatheFaithful wrote:
I wonder if it would be viable in arena if one choose to arena as Holy (points at teacake).
I just read that it's not working in the arena on the PTR right now. You can hit the button, but nothing happens. I don't know if they ultimately intend for you not to be able to use it there or if it's just bugged. It would be a useful option for that, I think, but again, only if your partners are aware of such things. Mine doesn't even have his party frames showing and only knows I let him get down to 17% health if I tell him. Which, obviously, I never do.
I used to drop this when I was in spirit form as a last gasp, but since some patch change it goes away when the caster dies. Wasted talent point now. I gave up both spirit form and light well. Just keep the mobs off of me and we'll all walk out of this together. After I res you, of course.
I almost forgot... our guild used the lightwell to mark tanking spots in Kara when explaining fights to new raid members. I guess it still has some uses.
I used lightwell the other day in Nexus on a couple of the boss fights. There were two caster dps, so I put it right by myself and told the casters to stay near me, that way I could focus on healing the melee that were taking more damage. I don't know how well it works for raiding as my priest is only 73 atm. For reg instances though, it has been really useful to me.
I think it really depends on what your group is. If you are in a pug with people that who pay no attention to anything but the health of the mobs, good luck. But, if you are with a group of competent people that can multitask, it can be a lifesaver.
I think it really depends on what your group is. If you are in a pug with people that who pay no attention to anything but the health of the mobs, good luck. But, if you are with a group of competent people that can multitask, it can be a lifesaver.
mdelevie wrote:
I used to drop this when I was in spirit form as a last gasp, but since some patch change it goes away when the caster dies. Wasted talent point now. I gave up both spirit form and light well. Just keep the mobs off of me and we'll all walk out of this together. After I res you, of course.
Deep Holy and diliberately skipping out on a 5% Spirit boost? Tsk tsk tsk.
On the subject, I was commenting the other day to some guildies that I need to spec into it just once so that I can train the additional ranks and completely clear out the trainer.
Every single time I had ever used this, I would use a macro to explain what it was, lay it down and still there would be at least one or two of the group that would be clicking it before the fight even started. I gave up on it.
Now if it had an AoE effect, sorta like a totem, THAT would be awesome.
teacake wrote:
I'll be the first to admit I may have a slight issue with control, but I hate hate hate leaving someone in charge of their own healing. I don't even like leaving the pets at the mercy of their hunters. In my experience, nobody but the healers are watching health bars. Including their own.
(Which frankly is as it should be. Nothing worse than that PUG tank who doesn't know you and is constantly watching his health bar and second guessing you.)
(Which frankly is as it should be. Nothing worse than that PUG tank who doesn't know you and is constantly watching his health bar and second guessing you.)
Heal my pet and make my Mend Pet wasted, and I'll Misdirect the boss on you. Stick with healing me or the tank. Playing a Hunter has already become ****** proof, making it even easier by removing the responsibility for the pet should be punishable by flogging.
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
Heal my pet and make my Mend Pet wasted, and I'll Misdirect the boss on you. Stick with healing me or the tank. Playing a Hunter has already become ****** proof, making it even easier by removing the responsibility for the pet should be punishable by flogging.
LOL I will keep that in mind. :D I was exaggerating - in raids I don't even have the pet bars up (too much clutter). But in 5-mans I will almost always toss the pet a Renew if he takes damage same as any other group member.
Lightwell is incredibly useful in PuGs. If ever someone complains about your healing, throw down a lightwell and say, “OK then, heal yourself, *****!â€
Also, you can cast lightwell, then cast levitate and /dance on top of it. Tres chic.
OK, seriously now. I’ve never specced for lightwell. However, when I run BGs, I sometimes bump into this holy specced priest who drops lightwells all the time. I make use of them whenever it makes sense to do so, which is pretty often. It’s a great spell that costs only one point. Not all your teammates will use it effectively, but the smart ones will and they’ll appreciate that you cast it.
Also, you can cast lightwell, then cast levitate and /dance on top of it. Tres chic.
OK, seriously now. I’ve never specced for lightwell. However, when I run BGs, I sometimes bump into this holy specced priest who drops lightwells all the time. I make use of them whenever it makes sense to do so, which is pretty often. It’s a great spell that costs only one point. Not all your teammates will use it effectively, but the smart ones will and they’ll appreciate that you cast it.
I don't have lightwell myself.
I do play with a priest, with a very loud voice on vent, who likes to say 'use the lightwell', a lot, its become a bit of a joke... Anyhow, you may be amazed to hear that some people do actually use it (imo still not enough to justify the talent point). If you can get people to use it, it is incredibly efficient. Another advantage is it can provide a little more healing if you die, as it can be put down while you are in spirit of redemption form. In theory, it could be great. In practice, too few use it... and most raids won't have a loud lightwell-loving priest!
I do play with a priest, with a very loud voice on vent, who likes to say 'use the lightwell', a lot, its become a bit of a joke... Anyhow, you may be amazed to hear that some people do actually use it (imo still not enough to justify the talent point). If you can get people to use it, it is incredibly efficient. Another advantage is it can provide a little more healing if you die, as it can be put down while you are in spirit of redemption form. In theory, it could be great. In practice, too few use it... and most raids won't have a loud lightwell-loving priest!
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Lightwell doesn't seem efficient in 25-man raid. 10-man raid, it could be used. Heroics, very useful.
I have a talent point in it, and use it all the time in heroics. People I run heroics with all know my rule "use the decoration", they think it's pretty and useful. Usually depends on dps classes, I'd put it near a warlock so they can do Life Tap as often as they want; put it near the boss if all dps are melee class in case of AoE damage; put it in front of ranged dps who mistakenly stand in a location so that either them or the tank are out of my LoS - and I choose to be in LoS with the tank; put it in the middle of a general area where people have to run for bosses' sparklings/lightning/etc... cuz there will always be some that don't run the same direction w/ the healer to get renew put on them, etc etc...
I have a talent point in it, and use it all the time in heroics. People I run heroics with all know my rule "use the decoration", they think it's pretty and useful. Usually depends on dps classes, I'd put it near a warlock so they can do Life Tap as often as they want; put it near the boss if all dps are melee class in case of AoE damage; put it in front of ranged dps who mistakenly stand in a location so that either them or the tank are out of my LoS - and I choose to be in LoS with the tank; put it in the middle of a general area where people have to run for bosses' sparklings/lightning/etc... cuz there will always be some that don't run the same direction w/ the healer to get renew put on them, etc etc...
Meh.. IMO too many more important talents than to waist a point in something that entrusts healing to a DPS... I have a hard enough time reminding them to use their health stones in raid, much less getting them to click on a small bowl during a fight.
Edited, Mar 20th 2009 2:26pm by SynnTastic
Edited, Mar 20th 2009 2:26pm by SynnTastic
Perhaps this is the change needed to make Lightwell more used and respected.
Not only does it heal but it also restores mana.
Implement the change NOW BLIZZARD!!!!
Not only does it heal but it also restores mana.
Implement the change NOW BLIZZARD!!!!
VomicatheFaithful wrote:
Perhaps this is the change needed to make Lightwell more used and respected.
Not only does it heal but it also restores mana.
Implement the change NOW BLIZZARD!!!!
Not only does it heal but it also restores mana.
Implement the change NOW BLIZZARD!!!!
Still wouldn't use it.
I simply won't use a spell that relies on someone else to do the job I was brought in to do.
I'm sort of like teacake in that I have an issue with control. I like to control who gets healed when, I mean I get annoyed when the ret paladin in our raids cast Lay on Hands on the tank after I have cast Guardian Spirit simply because he saw the tanks health getting low. I can't fault the guy for wanting to help, but it is annoying wasting a cooldown like that.
And I wouldn't trust people enough to use lightwell, so they very well may click on it, but I probably would already be in the process of healing them with my other spells, making it wasted mana.
Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if they got rid of it completely. Hell, replace that spot with the 1 point talent:
Improved Spirit of Redemption: The Spirit of Redemption can now move.
I'd take that, lol.
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