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#1 Mar 13 2009 at 5:18 AM Rating: Good
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Just a quick question on weapons for a TG Warr.

Our main TG Warr finally picked up the Betrayer of Humanity last night (huge increase in his DPS)

Now he is trying to figure out which is better in his OH. Betrayer or Jawbone. Are there spreadsheets like the Rogue Community has or is there another Warrior Specific calculator I could direct him to as well?

Forgot to link his armoury

Here it is

Cheers!

Edited, Mar 13th 2009 9:32am by FinalMeat
#2 Mar 13 2009 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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Betrayer has higher damage across the board (low end, high end, average) and is a better option for MH. MH damage is used to calculate Heroic Strike and Slam, and plays into Whirlwind -- he'll get more punch out of all of those abilities with a higher damage weapon.

I'm not sure about a spreadsheet/calculator, but that one is pretty easy.

Now tell him to get rid of those +24 stamina gems. :)
#3 Mar 13 2009 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Top end is not a DPS stat, BoH goes into main hand. Do it.
#4 Mar 14 2009 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
I'm assuming he just has one?

BoH/Jawbone.
#5 Mar 14 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the answers all. And he does only have 1 so far RP.

I asked him about those Stam gems and it was all he had at the time so he threw them in, slowly replacing them as he goes now.
I directed him to alla so hopefully he shows up here.

Cheers!
#6 Mar 14 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
Looking at the Armory more closely...

His spec needs some work. It's got some... strange talent choices for a PvE spec, or even a PvP spec.This is a much better PvE spec, and if he's going for PvP there's better choices there, too.

Looking at everything else;

1) Stamina Gems are be for being bad. Get rid of them and get STR/STA if you need the socket bonus, and if you don't (you often... well, don't) then go for straight STR.
2) Hit gem in the shoulder and gloves. Replace them with a STR/Crit gem, you're well over the amount of Hit you need.
3) Haste enchant on the cloak should be AGI (Agi is worse then Crit, but still better than Haste).
4) +20 AP gem in the BP. That's just pure laziness here; green Northrend AP gems, not even STR gems, would be better.
5) A +6 Stats gem in the Prismatic/free slot in the Belt. Prismatic in this case means that no matter what gem you socket into it, it'll retain the socket bonuses; put a pure STR gem here and use the +6/all one in your hat or some other blue slot to maintain socket bonuses.
6) +24 AP enchant on the boots should be Icewalker (+16 Hit/Crit iirc), which is also dirt cheap.

That covers most of it, but... really? He bothered to get DMC:Greatness but didn't bother to not use Stamina gems or that ridiculous L70 quest reward epic/crap AP gem?
#7 Mar 15 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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RPZip wrote:
I'm assuming he just has one?

BoH/Jawbone.


Interesting this, something may have changed in the meantime, but for a time there was some support for Jawbone/BoH on the EJ forums. Something about slower speed providing better unnormalised slam damage or something, and with the faster off hand (BoH), rage gen appeared to be better. I didn't understand the argument, because to me, the best avg damage weapon always goes in the main hand, to minimise the off-hand damage loss - but it was argued (specifically on the EJ forums) quite vehemently that the Jawbone in the MH was the better way to go (by about 5-10 dps or so - yeah, I know - piddlysticks, but better is better, yes ? :->).

So what changed in the interim.
#8 Mar 15 2009 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
robertlofthouse wrote:
RPZip wrote:
I'm assuming he just has one?

BoH/Jawbone.


Interesting this, something may have changed in the meantime, but for a time there was some support for Jawbone/BoH on the EJ forums. Something about slower speed providing better unnormalised slam damage or something, and with the faster off hand (BoH), rage gen appeared to be better. I didn't understand the argument, because to me, the best avg damage weapon always goes in the main hand, to minimise the off-hand damage loss - but it was argued (specifically on the EJ forums) quite vehemently that the Jawbone in the MH was the better way to go (by about 5-10 dps or so - yeah, I know - piddlysticks, but better is better, yes ? :->).

So what changed in the interim.


They hotfixed Deep Wounds so it'd no longer double-dip off 2H Spec and Death Wish (and the Retadin/BM effect), which was a fairly significant DPS loss overall for it. The reason you used JB in the MH was primarily because of the better DW damage off of instants (Slam, MH WW and BT proccing higher DW ticks), but when they dropped DW's base value it wasn't worth it anymore.
#9 Mar 16 2009 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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RPZip wrote:

They hotfixed Deep Wounds so it'd no longer double-dip off 2H Spec and Death Wish (and the Retadin/BM effect), which was a fairly significant DPS loss overall for it. The reason you used JB in the MH was primarily because of the better DW damage off of instants (Slam, MH WW and BT proccing higher DW ticks), but when they dropped DW's base value it wasn't worth it anymore.


Ah, ok - makes sense. Thanks.
#10 Mar 21 2009 at 7:34 PM Rating: Default
The spec correctment already posted was about as cookie cutter as it gets, i have no complaints or corrections with it. But, that doesnt mean i dont want to supply my input.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Lhrc0fhZGxf0V0uoeRVzAob

i spent alot of gold on respeccing trying to find something i liked... but was also most effective. Compared to posted above, i put points into imp charged instead of iron will as I start every fight in battle stance. i wait for the tank, waiting for my moment. I start fight with charge/switch to battle stance macro and with tactical mastery it garentees that i always have atleast 25 rage at the start of every fight. If, i already have more than 25 rage before the next pull.. then ofcourse it's not necessary to pull off this move. Also, one thing to add if you're interested in giving this strategy a shot.. is that occassionally, mostly when engaging a boss, you will enter combat before you'll get a chance to charge.

I also use improved cleave with the newely added cleave glyph. My latest respec included adding imp cleave. I know from experience that AOE is key to beating classes that do nothing but area of effect moves. So, the more damage i can get out of mine... the better. I've not once regretted adding this talent. Although i lose commanding presence and the increase in my raid buffs, you're gonna end up using commanding shout anyway and there's bound to be a warrior specced for it in a 25man. But i suppose that's simply the price to pay.

In my latest respec i also added imp bloodrage, which ive yet to see on any warrior ive played with. the talent alone provides 5% of your maximum rage and another 5% over 10 sec and paired with intesify rage.. this is available every 40 sec. Wouldnt trade this combo for anything that i currently dont have... except maybe shockwave with my TG build.

My 2 cents have been provided. and I hope that i managed to help someone realize their options when trying to decide the spec which best suits the way that they play.

GOOD LUCK!

Edited, Mar 21st 2009 11:39pm by Budlife
#11 Mar 23 2009 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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A whirlwind/cleave spec aoe warrior. I've done it. It works. And on endurance fights, with lots of little adds (I think of CoV dark portal in BC specifically) it can work.

But, I highly suggest speccing for top single target dps, otherwise wtf are you doing in the raid? Trash? Seriously? Your speccing for trash?

Yes, it does decent AE damage. But your gonna be replaced easily by a mage.



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The spec;

Imp rend. Yep, I have it on my toon. I was filling points for Deep Wounds... But it's generally not accepted as something you should take, ever.

1/2 Weapon Mastery. 1% dodge is nothing to scoff at for 1 talent point. I'm sure you could have reworked this spec.

2/5 Unbridled Wrath. No. Spend the points elsewhere. Rage starved much?

Imp Bloodrage. No. Spend the points elsewhere. Are you having problems with rage? Maybe your gear could be changed?

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Consider taking Anger Management over UB or IB. It's proven to be way more effective, for only a single talent point.

Are you sure someone will be specced Commanding Presence? I would only neglect taking it if I knew EXACTLY what spec's other warriors where taking.
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