Hi guys
Wonder if u guys could help me with a build.
I want a build that i can do some pvp (BGs) and some PvE. My primary role would be healer. I would guess that a Shockadin wouldn't be the best regarding pve, but great for pvp. And deep healing spec would be nice for pve, but not as fun in pvp?
Could u please help me :) And if u have a build, please link it :)
Thanks!
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The Holy Spec for PvE and the Holy Spec for PvP are a bit different iirc. (Same with Ret). Most people will respec/use different gear when doing Holy PvP vs. Holy PvE. If you try for a "best of both worlds" spec, you end up not being as good as you could be at either role.
I don't play Holy myself, so I do not know the specific specs for Holy PvE/Holy PvP, but you may want to check the Holy Paladin sticky here and check sites like elitistjerks. I am sure you can find the "cookie-cutter" builds and the explanations of why they work the best for each respective activity.
Dual-spec should make this sort of thing much easier - you can have your PvE and PvP specs saved (as well as your gear sets I believe) and just switch whenever you want. It is going to cost an up-front fee of 1000g, but if you frequently switch from PvP to PvE and back, it pays for itself VERY quickly. It shouldn't be THAT much longer before 3.1 goes live (we hope!)
I don't play Holy myself, so I do not know the specific specs for Holy PvE/Holy PvP, but you may want to check the Holy Paladin sticky here and check sites like elitistjerks. I am sure you can find the "cookie-cutter" builds and the explanations of why they work the best for each respective activity.
Dual-spec should make this sort of thing much easier - you can have your PvE and PvP specs saved (as well as your gear sets I believe) and just switch whenever you want. It is going to cost an up-front fee of 1000g, but if you frequently switch from PvP to PvE and back, it pays for itself VERY quickly. It shouldn't be THAT much longer before 3.1 goes live (we hope!)
I'm probably going to make a holy PVP and a holy PVE spec for my paladin. I do wish "dual specs" covered more then just 2 for us hybrids (I like to tank as well, and sometimes even play ret), but at least 2 is an improvement.
I respec for arena, but I won't spend the gold to respec simply for battlegrounds. However, sometimes I respec for arena, then I'll stay PVP spec until the next raid. Doing a few battlegrounds as a true PVP spec is more fun, you die less, feel more helpful, etc..
Personally I go 51/5/15 for PVE, and 49/0/22 for PVP. Theres some subtle differences in the holy tree between talents (mainly dropping improved wisdom for unyielding faith), then I skip kings and pick up divine purpose and pursuit of justice. It sucks they're shifting the ret tree around next patch, hopefully it's still viable to pick up divine purpose, because in many cases I'd be dead without it.
I respec for arena, but I won't spend the gold to respec simply for battlegrounds. However, sometimes I respec for arena, then I'll stay PVP spec until the next raid. Doing a few battlegrounds as a true PVP spec is more fun, you die less, feel more helpful, etc..
Personally I go 51/5/15 for PVE, and 49/0/22 for PVP. Theres some subtle differences in the holy tree between talents (mainly dropping improved wisdom for unyielding faith), then I skip kings and pick up divine purpose and pursuit of justice. It sucks they're shifting the ret tree around next patch, hopefully it's still viable to pick up divine purpose, because in many cases I'd be dead without it.
Depends on what level of pvp and what level of pve you plan to engage.
If you're going to play arena you can't just put up some decent spec that can fight and go. You have to find out what's the strongest combo of the moment and you and your teammate both have to roll your specific characters specifically for the arena with the class, spec, racials, professions, items and enchants that are known to be the strongest at arenas. Then you have to read up on the book of strategies of the specific team composition you selected. If the best team is undead frost dk JC/blacksmith and resto druid JC/enchanter with a darkmoon trinket then that's what you have to roll to play arenas fairly. You can't just say "I'll spec this way which works at PvP and then fight what I encounter", class balance is gone down the toilet and if you don't play the right team minmaxed EJ-style you're playing the losing team. That's one of the reasons why I don't like arenas.
If you mean BGs, you can go with anything. BGs are more relaxed and you still get all the challenge. Healing in BG's is way more fun than healing in PvE. But if you want to be doing killing blows have fun with that too.
If you want to be doing killing blows try to spec/gear specifically for doing killing blows, if you want to heal then spec for BG healing. A good BG healer is a threat to be reckoned with, a good melee killing blow doer is a BG healer's bodyguard (It's true and I'm that bodyguard).
If by PvE you mean leveling up, then you're ******** up with shockadin unless you really know what you are doing. "Leveling up" on a PvP server = PvP spec/gear or suffer. On a PvE server just ignore PvP and go DPS or AoE grind. Non-endgame instances are easy enough you can do them in PvP spec. My rule is that if my runs go smooth my spec is good enough, yeh yeh I'm ret but really, I just run stacking all that stamina/resil instead of strenght/ap and nobody notices. In any case I've never been good for my DPS, I'm good for making runs go smooth despite my neglectful dps.
If you're going to play arena you can't just put up some decent spec that can fight and go. You have to find out what's the strongest combo of the moment and you and your teammate both have to roll your specific characters specifically for the arena with the class, spec, racials, professions, items and enchants that are known to be the strongest at arenas. Then you have to read up on the book of strategies of the specific team composition you selected. If the best team is undead frost dk JC/blacksmith and resto druid JC/enchanter with a darkmoon trinket then that's what you have to roll to play arenas fairly. You can't just say "I'll spec this way which works at PvP and then fight what I encounter", class balance is gone down the toilet and if you don't play the right team minmaxed EJ-style you're playing the losing team. That's one of the reasons why I don't like arenas.
If you mean BGs, you can go with anything. BGs are more relaxed and you still get all the challenge. Healing in BG's is way more fun than healing in PvE. But if you want to be doing killing blows have fun with that too.
If you want to be doing killing blows try to spec/gear specifically for doing killing blows, if you want to heal then spec for BG healing. A good BG healer is a threat to be reckoned with, a good melee killing blow doer is a BG healer's bodyguard (It's true and I'm that bodyguard).
If by PvE you mean leveling up, then you're ******** up with shockadin unless you really know what you are doing. "Leveling up" on a PvP server = PvP spec/gear or suffer. On a PvE server just ignore PvP and go DPS or AoE grind. Non-endgame instances are easy enough you can do them in PvP spec. My rule is that if my runs go smooth my spec is good enough, yeh yeh I'm ret but really, I just run stacking all that stamina/resil instead of strenght/ap and nobody notices. In any case I've never been good for my DPS, I'm good for making runs go smooth despite my neglectful dps.
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