Let's talk Body and SoulFollow

What say I? It's the O-boards, if there wasn't drama, it would be empty.

It's a pretty decent talent if you ask me. The only thing Holy Priests are lacking that other PvP healers have, is self-mitigation.

Disc Priests have had damage reduction talents. Paladins have their all mighty bubble. Druids have HoT + shapeshift and run around. Shaman... well uhmm do resto shamans arena?

Anyway, back on topic. This new bubble form, will give us a nice speed burst to get away, as long as we aren't snared. So we can cast our instant heals(CoH goodness right there) on the run, PoM bouncing around, Surge proccing off of the CoH. It's pretty cool, kind of makes holy PvP healing similar to druids run around and heal strategy.

And don't dismiss the potential to remove poisons, that's pretty sweet.

Like Ysabell pointed out, that point of view is simply said stupid. All I (and others, even) have been screaming for since launch is to turn talents into actual TALENTS that allow a player to specify his playstyle rather than the field of end-game play he can or cannot compete in. This along with making disc PvE viable is a huge step in that direction. If you really think "We have disc for PvP and that's enough" then I'd say a child's hand is filled quickly indeed.

As for Body and Soul, the poison part on the talent doesn't seem that wonderful yet. As it is there's a chance you get to dispel one poison effect every 1,5 sec and it's not even free. With a rogue applying Crippling, Wounding and Mind Numbing on an average of every 2 seconds, what's your dispel gonna do? As for hunters, they'll just re-apply the mana sting, no big deal. My healadin buddy can reliably dispel the damn thing and they manage to keep it on him 95% of the time anyway.

To tie in with that, even a movement speed boost is still going to stink against rogues using crippling poison - priests would simply need a HUGE buff to be actually able to keep away from a rogue. As it's been since launch the only respite priests have against this class is fear. This is probably why disc has always reigned supreme in PvP; priests cannot kite as well as druids and they don't have plate like paladins. They nééd the disc tree to be able to survive the punch they're taking. I see what they're doing here and it could be interesting, but I think with how vulnerable holy currently is in the arena Blizz would need to give holy priests mobility close to that of a mage.

" And whaddya say we be allowed to wear plate? Huh? Huh?"


Priests in EQ wore plate. True story.


Sorry, just bored...

I don't think there is such thing as a definitive "PVP" and "PVE" tree anymore and I like that. Granted Holy is more PVE orientated and Disc is more PVP but the overlap allows people to customize to fit there unique playstyle. I think the flexibility of being able to PVE OR PVP in more than one tree is fantastic.

As you know I am Disc spec and I love it. I like the challenge of thinking ahead and putting down prevention as well as healing. It gives me more options and in certain fights Penance and my improved PW:S cannot be beaten. I have used my shield to help keep dps alive during Loetheb when everyone else is castrated by the buff and my MT loves me for it. Also Penance has kept my tank up far easier and more effectively than the Holy priests managed, even the one who outgears me by a long shot, during Patchwerk.

Flexibility is a great thing and I love the fact that the two healing trees are becoming similar in playability. To those QQers I would say... Do you want to give BW:S (when we ever find out more about this) to Holy since it is likely to be a "group heal/damage prevention" for use in raids etc since we are PVP?