I want something else for 5 points..Follow

Hello friendly forum folk, I've lurked these forums for quite a long time now and decided to make my debut with a drunken rogue request/question.

I play mut and I have since the directional change. I have recently given up on my 80 rogue and started lvling a priest in order to re-awaken my joy for the game...but I digress cutting to the chase..

I want something else for 5 points other than seal fate. The way I see it, for all intents and purposes I crit 50% of the time with mut providing 3 combo points. Which results in at worst a wasted combo point, and at best the only way to achieve 5 points with a mut build (sans ruthless). this seems flawed to me for some reason, I would rather just not have it. Without it, its impossible to get 5 points.
What I want is a reason not to take it. Right now there is nothing I would rather have to lose the points, and as stated earlier, you can't get 5 points without it. If you crit twice though, throughout your individual rotation, you waste a point only to optimize one ability, rupture (and relatively enven/evis but I never desire a 5 point either). With the upcoming hfb changes rupture will be quite important.
I guess the idea I have rumbling through my head would be a 5 talent point tier that involves a 6th combo point that is only available when SnD is up. I say SnD because besides hfb, it's the only thing im really concerned about not letting drop. This would imo negate the negative pvp implications of having a 6th combo point. My best idea would be to have the 6th point apply to all finishers except expose armor and cheap shot. It would also imply a 6th stack of DP. The positives would be more snd time without imp snd/snd glyph, more rupture time (important with the upcoming hfb changes), and a slightly higher envenom/evis dmg on trash. I know snd isnt really an issue, but the flaw in the whole rotation/priority system that mut is; is refreshing at the right times, ie you dont want to have rupture/snd/hfb all ticking a second from each other, or you are destined to have one of them fail. It would allow for min/max'er to achieve greatness b/c by not taking seal fate you have the ability to find yourself an optimum cycle, and the ability to actually get full cp's and use them at your pleasure. I find myself waiting for rup to fall so I can get a 5 point uptime, which meanwhile ticks hfb and snd lower than I would like. This would also provide a damn good reason to have the mut glyph and provide some type of player style involvement in your build.
Why keep seal fate in the tree at all then, b/c its still great for pvp and you want the rng on your side to get 5 points with a lower assn dedication like standard mut/prep builds. Working it in would require some talent changes to allow one to get that high in the tree without taking seal fate.
Just a random thought I had, and felt it had to be put out there
edit: run-ons and whatever

opinions....



Edited, Mar 9th 2009 1:06pm by Slywether

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 2:03pm by Slywether

Are you serious?



How exactly is it a wasted combo point? It only makes it easier to achieve 5 points. If not you would find yourself having to always use 3 mutilates to get full combo points.



Cheap Shot isn't a finisher.



Rupture can tick for a pretty good amount, which, would make it pretty important now. Not as important as HfB, but seriously how hard is it to keep up SnD when all you have to do is Envenom?

A wall of text is never a good way to make a point. I seriously have a headache now after reading that.

I'm boggled as to why you think seal fate is a bad talent. It's one of the most tree-defining talent for rogues (HaT aside, because you have to go armpit-deep into sub to get it).

I've been playing for 2.5 years.. and this is the first gripe I've ever heard about it. ONOSE I ALWAYS HAVE 4 or 5 combo points!

Grab Ruthlessness, and with raid buffs you're getting a ruthlessness proc + mutilate crit for 4 combo points half the time. The rest of the time you might have to mutilate twice for a solid finisher.. boo hoo?

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