Few Unholy questions if I may ask?Follow

CE is pretty crap.

The minor glyph of Pestilence is probably one of the best we have as a class.

For leveling, I'd probably use IT/PS/Ghoul.

Level towards something like this build.

The way I would level is by pulling multiple mobs at once; hitting a mob with IT/PS, then when it's in close to you hit it with a Pestilence to spread it to the other mobs.

Hit DS as needed to keep yourself alive, SS otherwise to use your FU attacks. You can switch back and forth between the mobs you get diseases up on to refresh diseases in the group using Pestilence.

Other than Pestilence, use your Blood runes on Blood Tap and BS. Blood Tap will give you a death rune to use, as will BS.

Don't bother with Blood Boil until patch 3.1 or you get into PvP.

Yeah I didn't take CE. For majors I took Glyph of PS, and glyph of Ghoul unless thats pretty crappy to.o.o Thanks for helping me. >< Can't believe my stuffs gone. I just look at my naked hunter and want to throw the keyboard at the wall.

Edited, Mar 9th 2009 12:43am by Souliken

If using it at the same time as the tank, I would agree. But if your tank doesn't have his DnD out, you probably will spike hate onto you.

It is safer to just not use it in a DpS situation. You have MUCH better uses for those THREE runes than DnD. The DpS just isn't high enough to make up for the threat, in my opinion.

So basically you're debating the nuances of why DKs shouldn't use DnD in groups.

Which is stupid, because by the time a DK knows more than "hey, don't use DnD", they would know all the reasons anyway.

Which makes your posts stupid and superfluous, hence not needed.

Grats and stuff on knowing your DK mechanics, but he's right: DnD is a high-threat ability.

It's not the reason that we don't use it in groups unless you're tanking, but he's still right.

Uh...

What?

That's exactly why you tell people not to use Frost Presence in groups.

That's getting sigged because it's so ******* stupid.

All you need is one good reason. All others after that, be they half truths, quarter truths, 90% truths, etc, don't matter if that one reason is good enough.

Hence, don't use Frost Presence because it has a positive threat modifier is MORE than enough as a reason to not use it. I shouldn't have to pull out the pros of Blood Presence to convince them. I don't care if the threat aspect is only "half a truth," it is more than enough.

And, in the case of DnD, the unreasonable boost of threat is more than enough of a reason. Sure, I can continue on by pointing out how many mobs it would take to make it worth the loss of a heart/blood strike/blood boil/pestilence and a FU ability. I can continue to point out how badly it works with rotations for each spec for DpS. I can point out that DnD won't provide Death Runes. I can point out that DnD currently causes some major FpS problems for some graphics cards. I can point out that the ability no longer has a cower affect, so it won't reduce incoming damage to your tank.

But, honestly, I think the threat was more than enough.

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Oh yeah, and the threat is the more intelligent route to go in arguing against Frost Presence. Because, inevitably, you will get ridiculous people who claim that Frost Presence + Bladed Armor is good DpS. They cannot, however, argue against the threat issue (even weakly).

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 2:40am by idiggory

I had no intention of causing an argument in here. >< I ran rampts tonight theo. I never dropped DnD once and still got top dps. I spent a little gold and got some enchants for my blue gear tell it gets replaced. Make me a little more tough in groups. Not huge enchants but decent. Unholy is still a learning curve for me. Lots of buttons to press. But I think over time(Next few runs :P) I'll get the hang of it. Its nice to see a mob go for a healer and use DG to pull it back toward the tank. So many abilities that I can use makes my brain hurt. But fear not. I will get used to it seeing as DK is my only viable class now *sniffles*
I got some of those glyphs.

I'm practicing AOE in Eastern Plagues as we speak. I use my ds and tab to the mob with the highest health but still the fight ends with half my health gone. Is there something more I can do? After DS goes off my health is full and then back to half within a few seconds. Maybe its cause I'm pulling like 9 mobs at once ><?

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 2:35am by Souliken

DnD is not optimal to run in any sort of DPS situation unless AoEing targets much lower level than you and many of them at once.

It should never be used in an instance unless you are tanking or there is a specific purpose; the damage of DnD does not outweigh the runes that it uses.

AoE is a delicate balance between pulling enough mobs that you're not going too slowly, but not pulling so many that you have to eat after every pull.

I usually pull 4-7, though I can pull more, now that my gear is better. IT to pull, PS to apply Blood Plague, Pest to spread, DS if I'm low on health, if not, SS. That's the general rotation I repeat, except I use Pest to put up diseases.

This is precisely why I love getting the lower level dungeon achievements. >:D