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I think I'm gonna be sportin' wood for a while after reading that. That's ******* grossly ridiculous, words can't even begin to describe how awesome that is.

I had already heard about boosting Deadly's AP scale, and with this glyph that's even more amazing because DP is allowed to tick away the entire time as long as you keep the stacks refreshed (which is a non-issue).

No more string of misses with DP and wondering why my spam of envenom isn't working.

Excellent news!

I still hope they do something with the HfB change... I'm not really a fan of it at the moment.

The question now is what glyphs are going to be prime for mut... This one fo sho, the rupture one?, and maybe the hfb one. I think there's also a mut one that reduces energy by 5 or something, which in the long run might be nice, but i'd probably go with this envenom one instead.

Also, i haven't been on the ptr for a few days, have they implemented the poison proc per minute rate yet? Last time I was on I dont believe it was working yet.

It's kinda what we did before.. as far as pve goes anyways.

PvP glyphs: Prep/Envenom/Mutilate
PvE glyphs: Envenom/HFB/Mutilate, probably. With the new scaling of deadly poison AND the envenom glyph, after a certain gear level envenom would out-scale rupture anyways. All depends on the new instant poison system I guess..


How does the new HFB work?

Not really...

The way it is right now, 3 stacks, 15% BUT you dont need a bleed, you just need to refresh it and keep 3 stacks up... You can have this up all the time. before combat, after, no matter what, its up.

The change with the bleed kinda sucks because you cant use it till you get a bleed going, which means you cant have it up before combat, have to blow combat points (ie rupture) and 30 engergy to get it up, and then when you want to refresh it, you have to make sure bleeds are up first. Kinda a bigger pita imo. on boss fights its fine. but doing heroics or soloing, you really aren't going to be able to use it at full potential. which means more often than not, you're losing 15% damage because who wants to blow combo points on a rupture when the mob is going to die in two seconds anyways to get hfb up? then it expires in 30. opening with a garrote works i guess, but usually groups just plow through stuff so fast theres not always time to get back in stealth...

I dunno, i see it as more of an obstacle. I'd rather leave it the way it is rather than make it conditional.

My two cents

EDIT: you still have to trigger it manually, costing 30 energy, it doesnt just proc, and it still has to be refreshed.



Edited, Mar 8th 2009 12:16am by charredmeat

I never get complaints like that.

You're basically saying a talent is useless at one field of play because you kill too fast. So if I'm right, your complaint is that you're technically wasting talent points.

On the other hand, why does that matter if the mob is going to die in two seconds anyway?

Edited, Mar 8th 2009 5:19pm by Mozared

It should be at least two minutes, like paladin's seals were changed to be before they were 30 mins..

I still haven't gotten onto the PTR myself to test it out, but with the total burning lack of dps warriors/feral druids in my raids, bleeds are going to be a *****. So.. let me get this straight.

HFB:
- Still costs 30 energy
- Still a 30 second buff
- 15%/18% glyphed damage boost
- One stack instead of 3
- Requires a bleed on the target to activate?
- And is it a buff or debuff? If it's a debuff, rogue aoe just took a huge hit.

Nope.....HAT/envenom build not possible. It would only leave you with 5 points for duel wield in combat. Without precision and improved S&D, the envenom gain wouldn't be worth the cost.

Garrote says hi :P

Plus, this would likely only be a problem in 5 mans/pvp; there are at least two other classes that depend on bleed effects for dps (Warrior and Druid), and I'm fairly certain the effect applies for any bleed, not just your own, so you should be covered for raid dps.

Edited, Mar 11th 2009 9:24am by Norellicus

Thank god one of my raid leaders is a druid tank. :D

Man, I hope they fix that, cause i love my Mutilate, and I would hate to have to switch to HAT.

They apparently have removed the glyph already... grrrrr.... buffing Master Poisoner insteae, they givith and taketh away. kinda takes a dump on the hat/env build that looked somewhat decent.

And we have to drop points in turn the tables just to pick up a chance to add more dp, since there are plenty of classes that already offer crit to the raid.