I would like your opinion please.
Do you consider the tier pieces (heroic or non, if one is yes and the other no then please say so) to be necessary to the point of feeling a Holy Priest is "undergeared" if they do not have the four-piece bonus? How about a Holy Priest without the two-piece bonus?
Let me flesh this out even more. How about a Holy Priest with Mantle of the Locusts, Cowl of Innocent Delight, Leggings of Sapphiron, and Robes of Mutation.
I'm sorry but I don't know enough about Priests to come to an informed opinion. I know I'm not real impressed with the Holy Paladin tier gear, and I know other classes have expressed lackluster opinions of their tier gear. How about Holy Priests?
Thank you ahead of time for any input.
EDIT - for clarification (see post below!), please assume the following in addition to the above:
I'm talking undergeared for heroic Malygos or heroic Sarth plus drakes. The gear I linked is a representative example, please assume a Holy Priest with all low or very low drop-rate gear and 75% or better of his/her gear from Heroic Naxx. And Je'Tze's Bell.
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:22pm by cynyck
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"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
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cynyck wrote:
Do you consider the tier pieces (heroic or non, if one is yes and the other no then please say so) to be necessary to the point of feeling a Holy Priest is "undergeared" if they do not have the four-piece bonus?
Undergeared for what? That's not a word you can leave unqualified. I can't ask you whether I'm dressed okay if you don't know where I'm going. There's nothing wrong with jeans or cocktail dresses, but a lady always dresses for the occasion. I haven't been raiding for the last month or so and won't be going back to it any time soon, so my PVE set is only maybe half purple, no T7 at all. I'm dandy for Naxx 25 or 10. Will I walk into Ulduar wearing that crap? Nuh-uh. I'm far too fashion conscious for that. If I decide to start raiding again, I'll run me some Naxx first and upgrade.
I doubt, though, that a person will need to be wearing full heroic T7 to start Ulduar. I'll reserve judgment until EJ tells me what the minimum stats are for stepping a toe in.
Edited cause I can't get quote tags right.
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 2:25pm by teacake
teacake wrote:
Undergeared for what? That's not a word you can leave unqualified. I can't ask you whether I'm dressed okay if you don't know where I'm going. There's nothing wrong with jeans or cocktail dresses, but a lady always dresses for the occasion.
Touche. I tried to flesh it out but definitely left out that important fact. I submit with bowed head m'lady, and take a knee before you.
I'm talking undergeared for heroic Malygos or heroic Sarth plus drakes. The gear I linked is a representative example, please assume a Holy Priest with all low or very low drop-rate gear and 75% or better of his/her gear from Heroic Naxx. And Je'Tze's Bell.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
The priest stat budget is actually pretty good on the T7/.5, and the 2 piece bonus is awesome on fights that do a lot of AoE(Sapph is a great example). The 5% reduction in GH cost is good too, if you find yourself casting GH often, which I don't.
Any of the gear you listed is good healing gear, IMO the T7.5 gear is a slightly better option than either of those items, through stats alone not including the set bonus, but the lack of a set bonuses of our tier gear isn't going to break you.
Edit: Other gear non-tier to look at:
Cowl of Vanity
Leggings of Mortal Arrogance
The Sanctum's Flowing Vestments
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:34pm by SynnTastic
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:36pm by SynnTastic
Any of the gear you listed is good healing gear, IMO the T7.5 gear is a slightly better option than either of those items, through stats alone not including the set bonus, but the lack of a set bonuses of our tier gear isn't going to break you.
Edit: Other gear non-tier to look at:
Cowl of Vanity
Leggings of Mortal Arrogance
The Sanctum's Flowing Vestments
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:34pm by SynnTastic
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:36pm by SynnTastic
Thank you Synn. I don't want you folks to think I'm sitting on this thread in eager anticipation or anything, but I appreciate the feedback!
I was having a discussion last night with an in-game friend who was complaining that a friend of his was getting screwed because her guild used dkp and she constantly got snaked on tier pieces. I armoried her and was surprised to see that she was decked in low and very low drop-rate gear from mostly heroic Naxx and otherwise Naxx10. The only medium drop-rate piece was also the only non-Naxx piece - the War Mace of Unrequited Love. Not too shabby, that mace. It was my friend who used the term under-geared in describing her.
I had a hard time believing that the tier gear was best-in-slot for Holy Priests, so I came here for what I consider a valued opinion.
I was having a discussion last night with an in-game friend who was complaining that a friend of his was getting screwed because her guild used dkp and she constantly got snaked on tier pieces. I armoried her and was surprised to see that she was decked in low and very low drop-rate gear from mostly heroic Naxx and otherwise Naxx10. The only medium drop-rate piece was also the only non-Naxx piece - the War Mace of Unrequited Love. Not too shabby, that mace. It was my friend who used the term under-geared in describing her.
I had a hard time believing that the tier gear was best-in-slot for Holy Priests, so I came here for what I consider a valued opinion.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
cynyck wrote:
I had a hard time believing that the tier gear was best-in-slot for Holy Priests, so I came here for what I consider a valued opinion.
It's funny you should say that.
Since I read your post I did some looking into my spreadsheet. It's known that I advocate Dwarf Priests stat weights. I've used them in gearing up, and they work great, IMO. It's great for figuring out how you should initially gear up, and as you become more comfortable as a healer, you tweak the numbers slightly to fit your style and raid make-up.
If you aren't familiar with it, here it is.
She weighs the stats as follows:
* Spellpower: 0.60
* Spirit: 0.54
* Intellect: 0.74
* Crit: 0.15
* Haste: 0.40
* MP5: 1.00
Based on those weights, and using the best gems in the available stats(again gem score based on those weights), the best in slot gear is, through stats alone:
Head: Cowl of Vanity
Neck: Chains of Adoration
Shoulders: Mantle of Dissemination
Back: Cape of the Unworthy Wizard
Chest: Sanctum's Flowing Vestments
Wrist: Punctilious Bindings
Hands: Valorous Gloves of Faith
Waist: Leash of Heedless Magic
Legs: Leggings of Mortal Arrogance
Feet: Boots of Forlorn Wishes
Finger 1: Band of Channeled Magic
Finger 2: Signet of Manifested Pain
Main Hand: Torch of Holy Fire
Off-Hand: Matriarch's Spawn
Wand: Wand of the Archlich
Notice how much T7.5 is in there. Now, to be fair, this doesn't include the value of the tier bonus, which again the 2-piece bonus is awesome, you can live without the 4-piece bonus. But some pieces, like the Leggings, are much better than the T7.5 leggings according to those stat weights. The T7.5 Chest and Helm are pretty close to being equal so switch out one of those two and you have the 2-piece bonus, and the rest would be non-tier.
I think people get too caught up in the whole Tier label and think they have to have it to be the best geared, which isn't always the case.
Disclaimer: I am not saying the gear listed is actually the best in slot, I simply used a respected priests math and weights to calculate the healing value of gear, and the gear listed has the highest value based on those weights, your mileage may vary.
The answer to your question is not at all.
My healing set contains 2 pieces of T7.5 and the rest of it is miscellaneous itemlevel 226/213 gear. Basically, the set bonus is a nice thing to have, but not game breaking. I've healed all the content in the game thus far (including the hard modes) and have never had any issue at all. At the end of the day, the set bonuses as they stand are not so powerful that content will be out of reach for you if you don't have them.
My healing set contains 2 pieces of T7.5 and the rest of it is miscellaneous itemlevel 226/213 gear. Basically, the set bonus is a nice thing to have, but not game breaking. I've healed all the content in the game thus far (including the hard modes) and have never had any issue at all. At the end of the day, the set bonuses as they stand are not so powerful that content will be out of reach for you if you don't have them.
cynyck wrote:
I submit with bowed head m'lady, and take a knee before you.
Heh, sorry about that. I wasn't actually trying to be as much of a smartass as my post came out sounding like. I guess my point was just that "best in slot" isn't really an issue for most of the current content. I tend to focus more on getting my stats where I want them to be versus specific pieces of gear. But I do think that will change with 3.1, especially for the hardcore folks (of which I am obviously not one).
Anyway, I'm glad you've gotten some good answers. :)
teacake wrote:
cynyck wrote:
I submit with bowed head m'lady, and take a knee before you.
Heh, sorry about that. I wasn't actually trying to be as much of a smartass as my post came out sounding like.
My turn to apologize, if that's what you got from my response.
I almost didn't hit send because I thought my silliness might be misinterpreted as a smartass response. Then I just figured a lot of people should know by now that I can be a silly-*** bobo sometimes, and wouldn't get the wrong idea.
Gee, I misjudged again (no pun intended - get it? Holy Pally? Misjudge? - oh forget it, I pulled a muscle stretching for that laugh!)
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
cynyck wrote:
silly-*** bobo
Silly-*** boboism is, obviously, encouraged here. I wasn't mad or anything. I apologize for you feeling like you had to apologize for my apology.
And I think Moz owes us all an apology, don't you?
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I think its becoming a reflex action for teacake is all :D
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YOU MADE ME SPEC DISC!
We are the disc. You will be assimilated. Holy is futile.
T7.5 is not that good for Disc either. I entered WOTLK determined to collect at least one full tier set in my WoW career, and was very dispointed that it wasn't optimal for my beloved spec. The Holy priest in my guild only uses the 2 set bonus iirc, I as Disc only use the T7.5 robes, and only because i haven't managed to get my grubby little hands on the ones from OS or Noth yet >.<
We have naxx25 on farm and are very close to getting maly25 (we are extremly casual :P). I don't think she or i are undergeared for it, but we haven't attempted OS with anything harder than 1 drake yet on heroic.
We have naxx25 on farm and are very close to getting maly25 (we are extremly casual :P). I don't think she or i are undergeared for it, but we haven't attempted OS with anything harder than 1 drake yet on heroic.
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