I was in Dragonblight doing some quests and hit some I'd done a while back on my Warlock.
The basic rule with the warlock seemed to be that I could handle anything up to 3-person group quests. I had to swap my dps demon (Felguard) for a tanking one (Voidwalker) and just took it nice and easy and watched the threatmeter.
So with my hunter I approached these with some confidence only to find that even my shiny new pet heal didn't cut it.
SO I went over to Petopia and looked up tanking pets. Being in Dragonblight the big worms seemed like an obvious choice from the Tenacity branch. I made sure to spend all its talent points on what looked like tanking attributes.
Unfortunately the result was virtually the same. A few more hits but it still died leaving me with an unkiteable elite forcing me to FD.
Was the worm just a bad choice (Although I thought all pets were normalised within families?) or are hunters just screwed on this? Or have I just got no clue?
I can come back in a few levels but that seems alien to a hunter who used to be able to tackle same-level elites.
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I was leveling with friends most of the time so I never really tried to solo stuff until I was 80 and had naxx gear. That being said, the pet talent trees got a bit more added to them, so as a full BM hunter between silverback and wild hunt you'll be able to solo things better. In BC and before same level elites usually required kiting and bouncing threat between you and your pet though. If you recently leveled don't use those elites as a reference, as they were all nerfed like crazy with the leveling buff.
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I was able to solo any 3 member elite but that harpy in storms peek. The worm in dragon blight gave me the most trouble but I ended up killing him by clearing the entirety of his little aclove and staying in cheetah.
I'd kite him around and FD if he ever got close or I got dazed at which point he would run back to my pet which I had on passive and stay towards the front. I was survival btw.
I'd kite him around and FD if he ever got close or I got dazed at which point he would run back to my pet which I had on passive and stay towards the front. I was survival btw.
I just started my warlock in WotLK the other day and am going destro now that my huntard is up to 80. No tanking pet can compare to the voidwalker. My VW on my lock just generates so much threat with his taunts. I think its just something we hunters have to live with.
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My VW on my lock just generates so much threat with his taunts.
I don't think he is worried about threat, but pet survivability.
I can't remember the worm in dragonblight, I'll go home and check him out after work. I will say this though, sometimes straight up tanking will not work.
I did a lot of aggro bouncing between my pet and me, this seemed to help me out on elites. Basically what I did was:
Put a mend up on pet, send em in.
Fire away while keeping just under threat on my pet, throwing him heals when he needed them.
When he got to 15%, I would pull out the big guns and take aggro from him, bringing the mob to me and getting dps while it's damaging no-one. Mend pet was active during this time.
If my pet got to full, FD. Disengage, bandage, mend pet, dps.
Rinse and repeat.
If the mobs can be stunned, slowed all these thing work in your favor and use them.
Use rhino's blood to maximize your pet heals.
I was able to take on a lot of tough mobs doing this, I hope it helps.
I levled with a gorilla as deep BM for the extra pet points. The only group quests I couldn't do solo where March of the giants, and the 5 man frostwyrm in Dragon Blight.
I was BT geared going into Wrath so I am sure that helped, I did not see anything that was too much to take on unless it was about 5 levels higher than me and my pet.
Just hit mend pet, MD pet and send em in. If you need to threat bounce, drop a frost trap, distracting shot, kite until pet is good, then either FD, or taunt with pet and continue. Foe the most part though taking threat from my pet or kiting wasnt needed.
I was BT geared going into Wrath so I am sure that helped, I did not see anything that was too much to take on unless it was about 5 levels higher than me and my pet.
Just hit mend pet, MD pet and send em in. If you need to threat bounce, drop a frost trap, distracting shot, kite until pet is good, then either FD, or taunt with pet and continue. Foe the most part though taking threat from my pet or kiting wasnt needed.
Thanks for the tips.
I haven't tried the big worm (which I soloed on the warlock) because I'm unable to kill Bonecrusher (elite centaur) or the big bird (Alystros?) in the Emerald Dragonshrine.
In both the pet is dead virtually immediately. The centaur is unstunnable and untrappable so I cannot see how to kite him. I may just not have good enough reaction times to aggro bounce but I can try it. Presumably I need to be switching Growl and Cower on and off to help this?
I'm in sort of crafted Kara level gear (Ebon Netherscale set) plus any upgrades I've collected levelling so nowhere near BT gear.
Anyway I've put on three levels since I posted so maybe I'll try again
I haven't tried the big worm (which I soloed on the warlock) because I'm unable to kill Bonecrusher (elite centaur) or the big bird (Alystros?) in the Emerald Dragonshrine.
In both the pet is dead virtually immediately. The centaur is unstunnable and untrappable so I cannot see how to kite him. I may just not have good enough reaction times to aggro bounce but I can try it. Presumably I need to be switching Growl and Cower on and off to help this?
I'm in sort of crafted Kara level gear (Ebon Netherscale set) plus any upgrades I've collected levelling so nowhere near BT gear.
Anyway I've put on three levels since I posted so maybe I'll try again
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Presumably I need to be switching Growl and Cower on and off to help this?
As for soloing though, my DK could/can handle a hell of a lot more than my hunter.
He solo'd every group Q in dragonblight outside of the few wanted 5mans.
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As for soloing though, my DK could/can handle a hell of a lot more than my hunter.
He solo'd every group Q in dragonblight outside of the few wanted 5mans.
He solo'd every group Q in dragonblight outside of the few wanted 5mans.
Very true, Hunters are very good at normal killing, Regular mobs are like butter and we are the hot knife. HOwever for pure PVE power, I havent seen anything come close to a Prot Pally and Feral druid. My DK is still only 71. With my pally and druid though I sought out elites way over my level just for fun.
Certain kinds of Elites are problematic for my pet. Certain ones aren't. Morris and I can tackle the elites in Gjalerbron 1:1 without anything fancy. Against AOE breather (like dragons) it's another matter. I have to keep calling him back to me to get him out of the breath pattern (I guess this is a type of kiting) and this lets him also get a few healing ticks on him. Then I can send him back and move myself to the other end of the target and blaze away again. Disengage works interestingly in this part when I do it right. If I don't work this pattern correctly, he tends to die and me soon after if FD and SM is on cooldown. I've even tried bandages but that doesn't work well either.
I always figured it was because he's a ferocity pet and not a tanker. However, prior to the big nerf, even elites 2-3 levels higher than we were weren't as big of a problem as they are now. Some might call that balance but since other classes don't have the same issues, I think it is just harsh realm on the hunters.
I'm in such a hurry to try and level now that I just bypass the elites if possible.
I always figured it was because he's a ferocity pet and not a tanker. However, prior to the big nerf, even elites 2-3 levels higher than we were weren't as big of a problem as they are now. Some might call that balance but since other classes don't have the same issues, I think it is just harsh realm on the hunters.
I'm in such a hurry to try and level now that I just bypass the elites if possible.
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