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#1 Feb 24 2009 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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This is me currently:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Arthang

I love my Lavanthor's Talisman. 74 Shield block rating and an extra 440 block value for 20 seconds every two minutes is really nice. I have been putting off getting the 40-emblem trinket (84 dodge rating) because I like Lavanthor's talisman so much.

As you can see, with my current equipment I am not block capped (about 97.2% with Holy Shield up if I did the math right), so is now a good time to switch out Lavanthor's for the Valor Medal of the First War, or should I keep what I have until some of my other equipment improves a bit?

Repelling Charge dropped off of Thaddeus in my last Naxx-10, which would have been a nice upgrade to the Seal of the Pantheon, but unfortunately I didn't win the roll on that one.

I know that at a certain point it is better to replace block rating with dodge, but am I at that point yet?
#2 Feb 25 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I would say keep the block trinket for now. As you said you're shy of block capped, even raid buffed with kings+MotW+DK/totems you'll be about 2% short. You need several upgrades that include block or avoidance before you can swap that trinket for stam or avoidance. Basically any gear that has only straight +def on it: Boots, legs, helm, def trinket all need to go before that block trinket imo.
#3 Feb 25 2009 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
I favor avoidance over mitigation in most everything. I've been block capped for a little over a month now and swapping around gems (including my beloved def/block value meta D:) was painful for me. Levanthor's Talisman is a fantastic threat item, but as far as mitigation goes it's sub-par for raids. I could be off on my math, but you'll end up with about the same boost to dodge % from the emblem trinket as you will block % from Levanthor's...the main difference is, dodge = 0 damage, block = mitigation that may or may not be worthwhile. For small hits, it's fine...for larger ones (ie. Patchwerk OT) it's not so great. Not only that, but the Use bonus from the emblem trinket is more appealing to me, again because 0 damage is better than simply reduced damage.

I'd keep Levanthor's Talisman for a threat set that you can throw on when you're block capped or running reg dungeons and even lesser heroics, but for higher difficulty heroics and raids, I much prefer the Valor Medal of the First War.
#4 Feb 26 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
ok i'm not the best but.....
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I would say keep the block trinket for now. As you said you're shy of block capped, even raid buffed with kings+MotW+DK/totems you'll be about 2% short.


ah none of them up your block rateing last a knew. so he would still be shy unless i'm over looking a tallent. i just started working on my pally but all those you list should be for dodge i belive. or maybe block value not block rateing wich you would need to get block capted.

quote]AureliusSir[/quote]
hit it on the nail i would say get trinket for bosses and keep other for trash/lower lvl stuff. from reading a few threads on here after i revived my pally. most peeps build a few diff sets. but from what i hear most try to knock norm hits off the chart but i dont know if 102.4% is still the right number after diminishing returns.
#5 Feb 26 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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ok i'm not the best but.....
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I would say keep the block trinket for now. As you said you're shy of block capped, even raid buffed with kings+MotW+DK/totems you'll be about 2% short.


ah none of them up your block rateing last a knew. so he would still be shy unless i'm over looking a tallent. i just started working on my pally but all those you list should be for dodge i belive. or maybe block value not block rateing wich you would need to get block capted.


Uhh, yeah. Block is the cheapest way to get to 102.4% combined avoidance(otherwise known as block capped), but raid buffs generally give between 2-3% dodge, which means if you were already block capped without buffs then you'd essentially have 3% extra block you could drop.

The OP stated he was aprox 5% short of block cap, so even with raid buffs he'll still be short and if he swaps trinkets he'll actually lose another 2% of combined avoidance depending what is used to replace said trinket. Swapping to pure avoidance could still be better in some cases, but in general blocking 2k off of every hit guaranteed is preferable imo.

39.35 dodge rating = 1% dodge
16.29 block = 1% block

74 block = 4.54% block
84 dodge = 2.13% dodge


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I'd keep Levanthor's Talisman for a threat set that you can throw on when you're block capped or running reg dungeons and even lesser heroics, but for higher difficulty heroics and raids, I much prefer the Valor Medal of the First War.


Its really not a good threat trinket. A 2min on use that effects 1 ability? Find an ap or crit trinket with a nice ap proc or use a Nobles str deck. This trinket is good for one thing, getting pallys block capped for Naxx. Haven't looked at mine in 6weeks as once you're block capped without it there are very few situations in which more passive block is good for anything.

#6 Feb 27 2009 at 6:14 AM Rating: Decent
sorry i was talking about the buffs wont help you get to block cap. but i wasnt informed enough on what your calling block cap. i didnt know the old uncrushable numbers now was called block capped. i was thinking bock cap was where you have your bock rateing so high no more will do anything. sorta how the druids was reaching the max armor wich once you reach that cap all other points was waisted cause the armor would migate any extra no matter how high you went over it. lack of playing pally on my part and not knowing enough. but since the tool tip doesnt show what you have with diminishing results wouldn't you need higher than 102.4% avoidance to truely be block capped vs. 83 mobs?? tool tip may show you at like idk say 25% dodge but due to diminishing results you only have 23%. so you would be 2% shy of it. I am just comeing up with numbers there but hope you get what i'm saying.
#7 Feb 27 2009 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
mahlerite wrote:

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I'd keep Levanthor's Talisman for a threat set that you can throw on when you're block capped or running reg dungeons and even lesser heroics, but for higher difficulty heroics and raids, I much prefer the Valor Medal of the First War.


Its really not a good threat trinket. A 2min on use that effects 1 ability? Find an ap or crit trinket with a nice ap proc or use a Nobles str deck. This trinket is good for one thing, getting pallys block capped for Naxx. Haven't looked at mine in 6weeks as once you're block capped without it there are very few situations in which more passive block is good for anything.



As far as accessible tank trinkets go that could help in any way with threat, Levanthor's Talisman is at the top of the list. (I don't consider the Northrend epic decks to be accessible given their cost). 440 block value for 20 seconds every 2 minutes sill represents a substantial boost to block value for any shield wearing tank in WotLK. It's not game-breaking bonus threat, but it's something. Sure, you could use a dps trinket for more threat, but I'm referring exclusively to tank trinkets.

Currently my pally is still using her Seal of the Pantheon and the Valor Medal. My guild wasn't running Naxx10 so there was no opportunity for me to yoink a Repelling Charge and the tank trinkets from Naxx25 are bleh for shield tanks. Unless the next guild I join does regular efficient Naxx10 farm runs, I probably won't be upgrading my Seal of the Pantheon until Ulduar. That push to being block capped involves a lot of choices and sometimes just gunning for block capped at the expense of all else is not the best idea. A lot of it depends on the content a person is running.
#8 Feb 28 2009 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent

I have the talisman, the medal and the essence of gossamer trinket so far. I keep whole time with the Essence just for the boost to stamina. Now i keep the talisman for raid trash pulls + heroics. Just use the medal when fighting some bosses that is better to dodge than blocking the thing. Anyway, asap i can get repeling charge talisman i will stick with that and essence.

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