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I saw Imp BS after I made my bear spec. I like it as deep resto for PvP.

Irontree.

no spelling good now :edit

Edited, Feb 24th 2009 3:26am by Horsemouth

Resto changes are awful.

-Spirit nerf: Resto druid already scale terribly with available stats. Right now, spellpower, spirit, and haste to (easy-to-obtain) soft cap are the only good resto stats. Crit and haste after soft cap only affect our direct healing obviously - Regrowth is about 30% of my healing now, and that's on the high end from what I've seen. MP5 will still be worse than spirit (since Intensity will be buffed, and spirit still gives spellpower as well as I5SR regen). I don't think this will be a huge deal (druids tend to stay I5SR more often than not), but kind of a kick in the shins to nerf one of the only good resto stats.

-Living Seed: if they really mean what they say (works off ineffective healing ie. overheal), this is a nerf to an already bad talent. The breakeven point would be 50% overheal, and I overheal nowhere near that much on my crit Regrowths. This also seems to contradict their work to promote mana conservation. I'm hoping that's just a typo or poorly worded.

-Revitalize: an ok buff, but the effect is still weak. Maybe a little bit better with the regen nerfs.

The big one:
-According to MMOChampion, Imp Regrowth now gives 25% crit to Regrowth and 25% crit to Nourish. This relegates Regrowth back to a HoT to put on the MT with a quirky little direct heal tacked on. It also murders Nature's Grace and Living Seed (even worse than already murdered). I guess it amounts to a throughput increase for MT healing, since 4T7 Nourish is comparable to glyphed/talented Regrowth as is, but is a nerf to raid flashing (I generally don't have a HoT up on someone I need to flash heal) and represents a big stylistic change.

Not impressed. If it goes through like this (and obviously there's no telling if it will), I don't think I'll keep healing on my druid.

Predicted 3.1 best spec:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?druid=0000000000000000000000000000002300233125315005313503130510532000100000000000000000000&glyph=072109000000&version=9614
I don't see Glyph of Regrowth being worthwhile anymore.

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Edited, Feb 24th 2009 4:23am by Theophastus

is what I got off MMO- Champion this morning.

Makes me wonder... are they going to give other classes with DoTs a talent to make their DoTs crit, or is that just gonna be for us? I didn't see them add it into any other class. This is a huge boost to our dps, with our crit rates starting in the mid 30% and going into the 50% range.

Guess I'll have to get on and test out that new Savage Defense and see if it's in line with a 50% nerfo of SotF.....

Savage Roar now increases damage by 30%.... I didn't see that coming...

I decrease to 30% AP for Savage roar sucks, but I guess it was bound to happen.

You read that wrong, it's not 30% AP, it's 30% "damage". I'm still trying to figure if it's a buff or a nerf... or nothing worth paying attention to.

Other than that...

I find the Owlkin Frenzy nerf was uncalled for. Not like Moonkins are anywhere near OP'd right now and OF was definitely not a key talent. (Maybe it was for PvP, but I'm pretty sure they always say they balance around PvE).

Primal Gore: Very sweet, do want. For both tank and melee specs.

Savage Roar: Enrage? Means it can be dispelled by Huntards now?

Maim: Again, does that change anything?

IMotW: I wonder how it'll work. You get that 2% all the time, or only when MotW is active on you? And will you give it to other people too as part of the buff or what? Still, kinda nice.

Horsemouth! Stop working and start doing me some math!!

What's the curve look like as far as where 40% attack power buff would level out with straight 30% damage increase.


Also Maim.... who uses this except for pvp? I mean really?

Faerie Fire... I read about this somewhere, don't remember where. Will have to check EJ for numbers on this.

Improved Barkskin.... Meh pvp talent....

Primal Gore...Could it make rake the new everlasting ******?

Paparazzi pic of Selverein helping Ghostcrawler test the new Pig Form --->Selverein Piggy



Edited, Feb 24th 2009 10:43am by Galenmoon

Indeed. As you can see they had kinda mixed up the Flight Form code with the new Pig Form code, and they were doing preliminary work on the upcoming Rhinoceros skin. Good times were had by all.


I don't think it's going to be next patch, but there is indeed talk of aquatic mount. I wouldn't want them either, unless they make Aquatic Form slightly faster.

They swim at 100% speed?

And I take it by "now" you mean 3.1 right?

Even if they do give it to them, with the glyph we'll still be faster, plus we can use it in combat.

All you have to do is moonfire them to put them in combat and jump in the water and ninja! Rabid walrus ftw!

They would have to drop combat somehow to use the mount. That is, as long as it retains the same use as the land mounts, that you have to be out of combat to use them.

I think this is the new Feral Charge - Piggy. :)

If you consider both the SR change and the new SR glyph, it most certainly is a dps buff. +36% damage > +40% AP, how much of a buff I'm not sure but if I had to guess it would be in the +5% range of total dps. Primal Gore is a much more significant buff, at least for me. Rake and rip make up about 35% of my total damage in raids and with averaging 50% crit (I'm usually a little above), that's an extra 15-17.5% increase in my dps. All factored together I'm expecting a boost of 20% to my sustained dps raiding!

Blizzard stated the intent to buff kittty sustained dps without boosting our burst in PvP and these changes do just that by boosting our dots and SR. This should make feral one of the top raid dps specs in the game, which is justified due to the complexity of feral dps rotations compared to other dps classes. Blizzard has said before they try to reward more difficult/complex dps specs with higher potential dps, justification they have used as to why affliction has higher potential dps then the other 2 warlock specs. Given that affliction complexity is about on par with feral complexity, it seems justified that feral dps should be very high for players capable of maintaining the rotation needed to maximise dps. On the other hand, players not capable of juggling all the buffs and debuffs required end up with much lower dps (example is a feral druid in my guild who struggles to maintain even half my dps in raids)

We have known this was coming for a while now. Basically some really well-geared Druids are already hitting the armor cap so they had to drop armor multipliers and compensate in another way, namely Savage Defense in this case.

And no, the stats bonus and crit immunity will not be changed.


It's a huge bonus for Kitties too, probably bigger than Bear in fact. You shouldn't be high at all on the threat meter because of the natural threat reduction from Cat Form, so DoT's criting won't matter much, if at all.


Sadly, it states it will be a tier 10 talent. You're definitely not gonna reach the 10th tier in Resto if you're speccing for Bear. (Tier 10 would be same level as Gift of the Earthmother)