I think most of has to be said already was. So, instead, I'm gonna ask something.
You guys always keep both IS and MF up while eclipse has not procced and not on CD? I usually cast IS and Wrath in that case, MF first thing I see when eclipse procs, SF till it enters on CD, IS as soon it goes on CD, keep SF untill off CD, recast IS and Wrath. I've been doing around 4k to 5k dps, depeding on the boss.
Another thing. On glove I have the +haste engeneer thing. I try to use it whenever its up and always before casting treants, but since you guys brought the GCD talk....should I keep it to use while eclipse has not procced? On CD? During procs? Does someone has the math on this?
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Math isn't my strong point but if you consult the EJ forums they have all the math done over there.
Here is why I use MF/IS it adds damage and crit chance to wrath, meaning faster eclipse procs. Thats really about it.
As for haste...
I always have potions of speed on me and pop them the second I get my eclipse proc. Usually this is after heroism/bloodlust has been popped and ran through its course, just so I can get one of my SF eclipse procs to pump out some massive damage for the time being.
I don't know offhand what the engineering thing does so you'll have to enlighten me on it.
Otherwise I'm a little too drunk to ansswer these questions.
Here is why I use MF/IS it adds damage and crit chance to wrath, meaning faster eclipse procs. Thats really about it.
As for haste...
I always have potions of speed on me and pop them the second I get my eclipse proc. Usually this is after heroism/bloodlust has been popped and ran through its course, just so I can get one of my SF eclipse procs to pump out some massive damage for the time being.
I don't know offhand what the engineering thing does so you'll have to enlighten me on it.
Otherwise I'm a little too drunk to ansswer these questions.
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Here is why I use MF/IS it adds damage and crit chance to wrath, meaning faster eclipse procs.
This is a bit misleading or i may have read it wrong. But afaik, IIS gives starfire a higher crit on moonfire and gives wrath higher damage on IS. So, although technicly correct, having MF up and starfiring will gives a higher chance on ecplise this is not what you want to do, since you want to wrath till starfire eclipse. And I dont think MF/IS will increase crit for wrath ..
Correct.
I think what Arex had in mind is Imp FF, which is 3% to all spells.
But yes, numbers on the EJ forums seem to point out that having your DoT's up as much as possible, without gimping your rotation is the best thing you can do for your DPS.
I kept IS and MF both when Eclipse was not proc'd and while on CD. There's really nothing special when it is on CD. The only reason not to resume spamming Wrath is that it won't proc Eclipse for a while so Starfire is supposed to let you pump a bit more damage during CD compared to Wrath. (And I believe that may not always be true depending on your stats)
As for what you are currently doing, if you have the MF Glyph, you're not making full use of it and you could gain a bit of DPS from it yet.
IS+Wrath is probably the most advised opener. However, you also want to throw a MF at this point because if you wait until Eclipse actually procs, you may deprive yourself of one more Starfire that you could've squeezed during your Eclipse (because of the GCD used for MF). With a decent crit rate, you should be able to proc Eclipse well before MF is over so it will be up for at least part of your Eclipse, and even longer if glyphed. It's fine if it fades during Eclipse, as the additional 3% isn't that important compared to the 30% already gained from the Eclipse.
As mentioned before, the general rule is to keep your DoT's up as much as possible except:
-During Eclipses (exception to the exception: If you somehow procced a Wrath Eclipse, it may still be worth it to keep IS up, but just try to get the right Eclipse instead).
-Do not refresh your DoT's, wait until they finish or you'll be wasting ticks during which you could've cast another spell.
About the Haste enchant, I dunno if it affects Treants. I know Bloodlust does, and Spellpower, but can't say for Haste.
Regardless, you want to use it during an Eclipse, that should be a no-brainer. Eclipses will allow you to crit much more often with Starfire, and for very high numbers, so you want to be able to cast as many Starfires as you can during those procs. You can choose to activate it before you start spamming Wrath to proc the Eclipse if it triggers the GCD, and want to be sure not to clip your Eclipse at all. When Eclipse is on CD, you just find whichever rotation allows you to do the most damage before Eclipse becomes available again.
I think what Arex had in mind is Imp FF, which is 3% to all spells.
But yes, numbers on the EJ forums seem to point out that having your DoT's up as much as possible, without gimping your rotation is the best thing you can do for your DPS.
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You guys always keep both IS and MF up while eclipse has not procced and not on CD? I usually cast IS and Wrath in that case, MF first thing I see when eclipse procs, SF till it enters on CD, IS as soon it goes on CD, keep SF untill off CD, recast IS and Wrath.
I kept IS and MF both when Eclipse was not proc'd and while on CD. There's really nothing special when it is on CD. The only reason not to resume spamming Wrath is that it won't proc Eclipse for a while so Starfire is supposed to let you pump a bit more damage during CD compared to Wrath. (And I believe that may not always be true depending on your stats)
As for what you are currently doing, if you have the MF Glyph, you're not making full use of it and you could gain a bit of DPS from it yet.
IS+Wrath is probably the most advised opener. However, you also want to throw a MF at this point because if you wait until Eclipse actually procs, you may deprive yourself of one more Starfire that you could've squeezed during your Eclipse (because of the GCD used for MF). With a decent crit rate, you should be able to proc Eclipse well before MF is over so it will be up for at least part of your Eclipse, and even longer if glyphed. It's fine if it fades during Eclipse, as the additional 3% isn't that important compared to the 30% already gained from the Eclipse.
As mentioned before, the general rule is to keep your DoT's up as much as possible except:
-During Eclipses (exception to the exception: If you somehow procced a Wrath Eclipse, it may still be worth it to keep IS up, but just try to get the right Eclipse instead).
-Do not refresh your DoT's, wait until they finish or you'll be wasting ticks during which you could've cast another spell.
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Another thing. On glove I have the +haste engeneer thing. I try to use it whenever its up and always before casting treants, but since you guys brought the GCD talk....should I keep it to use while eclipse has not procced? On CD? During procs? Does someone has the math on this?
About the Haste enchant, I dunno if it affects Treants. I know Bloodlust does, and Spellpower, but can't say for Haste.
Regardless, you want to use it during an Eclipse, that should be a no-brainer. Eclipses will allow you to crit much more often with Starfire, and for very high numbers, so you want to be able to cast as many Starfires as you can during those procs. You can choose to activate it before you start spamming Wrath to proc the Eclipse if it triggers the GCD, and want to be sure not to clip your Eclipse at all. When Eclipse is on CD, you just find whichever rotation allows you to do the most damage before Eclipse becomes available again.
Remind me not to post on the forums after a night at the bar. I completely got everything mixed up. Tiny and Selverin basically patched up what I was trying to say into what I should have said. Rate ups for sifting through my drunkness.
Haste, be it pots or the enchant should be popped when you get SF eclipse. If you are geared with any epics most of your gear is going to have haste on it and therefor you almost always should have enough that with a proc of nature's grace you're hitting the cap for gcd on wrath. Therefor you always want to use them on SF casts where reaching the gcd haste cap is a lot harder.
But, since we're talking about haste....
Who else has gotten the haste bug? I'm at 457 right now and last night on Maly I watched the Leash of Heedless Magic go to our other boomkin and I honestly about started QQ'ing irl. All I need now is embrace of the spider, Leash of Heedless magic, Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster, Suprlus Limb, Pennant Cloak, and a new ring and my god. I'll be a haste machine. With the fact I'm dropping herb for JC I could easily reach over 600 haste w/o nerfing my crit straight into the ground.
*insert maniacal laughter*
Haste, be it pots or the enchant should be popped when you get SF eclipse. If you are geared with any epics most of your gear is going to have haste on it and therefor you almost always should have enough that with a proc of nature's grace you're hitting the cap for gcd on wrath. Therefor you always want to use them on SF casts where reaching the gcd haste cap is a lot harder.
But, since we're talking about haste....
Who else has gotten the haste bug? I'm at 457 right now and last night on Maly I watched the Leash of Heedless Magic go to our other boomkin and I honestly about started QQ'ing irl. All I need now is embrace of the spider, Leash of Heedless magic, Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster, Suprlus Limb, Pennant Cloak, and a new ring and my god. I'll be a haste machine. With the fact I'm dropping herb for JC I could easily reach over 600 haste w/o nerfing my crit straight into the ground.
*insert maniacal laughter*
Yeah, I like that haste aswell.. though in an experiment i tried to get as much haste as possible without losing hitcap, it severly cut my crit %. Of course the gear available was rather limited and im sure with a few more maly25/sath+2+ and when all them clothwearers are satisfied i can start rolling on some better haste/crit gear. There seems to be a big difference in getting eclipse (fully raidbuffed) to proc with 15% crit (caster form) or 16-17% (caster form).. even though it's only 1-2%.
Raid buffed right now I'm around 23.5% while in boomkin which is where I feel I fit with my crit not being nerfed to the ground.
I did some regemming and was able to keep myself above 2100 self buffed, 22% crit and a cast reduction time of about 21% with my haste rating and talents. Every crit now pushes wrath far past the haste soft cap. But a 2.46 SF cast time is so sexy and 1.96 with a NG proc is even sexier.
Ive been seriously debating about getting another crit trinket just for the mere fact it would be very helpful in my crit or picking up embrace of the spider to replace my badass forethought talisman. The sp is so good!
I did some regemming and was able to keep myself above 2100 self buffed, 22% crit and a cast reduction time of about 21% with my haste rating and talents. Every crit now pushes wrath far past the haste soft cap. But a 2.46 SF cast time is so sexy and 1.96 with a NG proc is even sexier.
Ive been seriously debating about getting another crit trinket just for the mere fact it would be very helpful in my crit or picking up embrace of the spider to replace my badass forethought talisman. The sp is so good!
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