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#1 Feb 18 2009 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello,
My guild is wanting to do heroics soon, but I've never done heroics before so I'm abit nervous! Is my gear ok first of all?
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kael%27thas&n=Felyra

Also is there anything I should know about doing heroics? Thank you all for any replies
#2 Feb 18 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh yeah you're totally fine. As long as your healer isnt a total complete idiot you'll do just fine. I have both a prot pally and now got my priest into heroics. Just a few nights ago i managed to heal a dk with 20k hp and only 460 def through H-UK. Granted I had some guildies with me that put out 3000dps so...it really didnt take long to kill them.

As long as youyr 535 def with around the 23k mark you can handle the lower end of Heroics. Pretty much the only 2 heroics to really stay away from without a super solid group is AN, UP.

GL and have fun!
#3 Feb 18 2009 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, you are fine for starting to do heroics. If your healer is capable and your DPS aren't all < 1000 some heroics shouldn't present much problem at all.

I would recommend H UK to start. It is by far the easiest. If your group doesn't have too much trouble with that one, H Nexus, H DTK, and H CoS are not bad at all either, especially for a prot Pally. H VH can be easy, or it can be a royal pain, depending on which bosses you get. The rest are more difficult in varying degrees.

As long as your tanking abilities match your gear and your healer and DPS are at least competent, I don't think you will have much trouble with the easier heroics and honestly you will find yourself progressing into the "harder" heroics within a short period of time. When I first started doing heroics, I liked to do H UK and H Nexus virtually every day... 8 relatively easy emblems of heroism, 10 if either of them was the daily heroic!

EDIT:

541 Defense with 23.5k health is honestly good enough to MT or OT in Naxx-10 with a good group.

Edited, Feb 18th 2009 2:25pm by jeromesimina
#4 Feb 18 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks guys! Well I think I'm now more confident to start tanking heroics than I was this morning! :D
#5 Feb 19 2009 at 4:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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As everyone else has said, you're gearing is pretty solid; certainly more than capable of running Heroic content with a decent crew. Couple of things I would consider picking up though; the Titanium Earthguard Ring and the Titanium Earthguard Chain. Both will give you a nice boost to Str and Sta. There is, of course, the argument that the badge vendor necklace is a better option, and it is marginally better. However, the first badge item I imagine you get will be the 15 badge Libram of Obstruction, then another 25 badges to pick up the necklace. For the sake of, what, a thousand gold (ish) I bought the titanium neck and will be buying the belt, chest and gloves first.

Purely personal preference you understand. The main thing point is that you are, indeed, ready to start leading out dungeon crawls. Have fun with it, and I hope you'll be as keyed up and ever so slightly nervous as I was in my first forays to easier HC content :)

Also, regarding ease of content I would suggest Utgarde Keep, then The Nexus followed by Violet Hold. Only problem you may have in Nexus is if you have sub-par dips while dropping the stroppy dragon; I had the dubious pleasure of running Nex, Uk and VH in one evening, with the same party. I came in second on the recount meter. Bloody second. I'm the tank for goodness sake- i should be 4th. 3rd tops. But 2nd?

Sorry, rant over :) But seriously- bring half decent dips and you'll have a much more pleasant experience :)

Good luck with it all, and please report back on your experiences :)

Ttfn,

Jon
#6 Feb 19 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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You are good. Remember - you can tank a heroic and be def-cap'd at 535.

Don't throw out any gear. Some of the lower lvl stuff (Saronite Bracers and Hands I *THINK*) have a ton of DEF on them.

What you'll do is find that you will get an upgrade, but it might drop you down to 532. You'll need to swap around gear a bit for a pretty long time. Don't throw out old gear.

Start with UK, Nex.

I found that CoS and VH are a minor step up from UK and Nex and largely dependant on your healer/group and luck of boss draws in VH.


#7 Feb 19 2009 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
Borsuk wrote:
You are good. Remember - you can tank a heroic and be def-cap'd at 535.


A blight on you for using the term def cap -.-
#8 Feb 19 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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AureliusSir wrote:
Borsuk wrote:
You are good. Remember - you can tank a heroic and be def-cap'd at 535.


A blight on you for using the term def cap -.-


I am not a huge fan of def cap or defense cap either. It is an easy term to use but not really the correct term to use. I see it in trade chat all of the time:

/2 [Idiotpally]: What is defense cap for a Paladin?
/2 [Someotheridiot]: 540
/2 [Me]: 535 is crit immune for heroics and 540 is crit immune for raids. Every point of defense over that adds 0.04% to your total avoidance so it is still a good thing!
/2 [Idiotpally]: Whut?
/2 [Someotheridiot]: Huh?
/2 [Me]: Of course diminishing returns eventually kick in to the point where you can be defense capped, but I would have to do alot of math to figure out what the number for that actually is...
/2 [Idiotpally]: Lolwhut?
/2 [Someotheridiot]: I don't get it...
#9 Feb 19 2009 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I love that discussion always turns into a debate over the merit of the term "Defense Cap" whenever it's used. And I love that for some reason I'm contributing to that debate this time (part of the problem eh?).

On the one hand, everyone knows what people actually mean when they say it. On the other hand, it shows ignorance. Do you go along for the sake of making everything go smoother and faster, or do you attempt to correct a needless bit of annoying ignorance before it continues to spread? And for that matter, why is the term "Defense Cap" popping up all of the time now when the mechanic is effectively unchanged from TBC. While it was an occasional thing to see it back then you almost exclusively saw people refer to it as "Uncritable" -- why the misnomer now?

The fact is that the implications of symantics here are similar to the implications of racism. On the one hand, the only way to stamp it out is to ignore valuable history that DID happen and dishonor those that are part of that history. An unacceptable solution. Much the same, eliminating ignorance over WoW symantics (something that is VASTLY less important and frankly cant even be compared based on anything but symantics) just isn't possible.

So then we see that the second option, attempting to alleviate the ignorance of people on the matter, is actually impossible. But does this mean we should subscribe to the first option? Does a captain abandon their ship and their crew when faced with overwhelming odds? As humans we have principles and standards that we live by. It would be wrong to deny that such ignorance exists, and ignoring it effectively implies denial.

But how wrong? I mean, we're talking about some meaningless term in WoW -- not about the personal justification that everyone who has taken a human life goes through. Not the condemnable events of the Holocaust. Does simply being wrong justify our adament refutation of something?

TL;DR: Yes, I just successfully related the debate over using the term "Defense Cap" with BOTH RACISM AND *****! According to the rules of the internet -- this discussion is now closed for now and eternity. There has been far too much thought and debate put into this meaningless topic by people all over every forum that has anything to do with tanking in the most remote way. Remember, if it gets to racism and *****.. it's gone TOO FAR.
#10 Feb 19 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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And for that matter, why is the term "Defense Cap" popping up all of the time now when the mechanic is effectively unchanged from TBC. While it was an occasional thing to see it back then you almost exclusively saw people refer to it as "Uncritable" -- why the misnomer now?


PvP would be my guess, since there isn't really an uncrit cap. Also with TBC came hit/expertise/resil/block capping, to name a few: the term is now used for any stat where any amount over a specific(possibly theoretical) number of that stat is wasted itemization.

The problem with the term def cap, is that even though semantically inaccurate(def cap for a prot pally is aprox 853, if no dodge/parry/block/agi on any gear, not counting DR but you get the idea), there is for all intents and purposes a cap at 540. Any def over PvE crit immune is wasted itemization once you are block capped(or should this be called melee hit immune?). Every point spent on def after that would be better spent on stam or pure avoidance(dodge). So while not semantically correct it doesn't bother me when someone refers to it as such.


#11 Feb 19 2009 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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I bow down in ROFL-spasms to the great Losie
#12 Feb 20 2009 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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"Diminished returns" - whoever invented that phrase needs to re-roll accountant or be burnt at the stake.
#13 Feb 20 2009 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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Haha - a lot written about "Def-Cap"

The term is used to describe a simple situation of being uncritable and a basic aim of all tanks.

Come on guys - The OP asked "Can I tank?"

My response was "yeah, you're def-cap'd" followed by a piece of advice.




He didn't ask for the Unified Theory Of Gravity Tanking


Can you do a Strike Through here? I shrunk the word gravity and changed it, but don't know how to make a strike through????
#14 Feb 20 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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I believe it's the S button. Test.
#15 Feb 21 2009 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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"She" as in me, doesn't mind. I started WoW about 3 years ago and just got to 80 a month or so ago, so this is all very interesting :)
#16 Feb 21 2009 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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Well I just did my first heroic utgarde keep and then nexus and it went beautifully. Thanks to everyone who replied! It upped my confidence and we got through with almost no trouble.
#17 Feb 22 2009 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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That is what we like to hear! Grats on your first successful heroics and have fun with more heroics in the future! If you are into raiding and can get a good group together, Naxx-10 is quite fun, and so is OS-10 and VOA-10 (and OS-10 and VOA-10 have the advantage of only taking 15-30 minutes or so).

If you decide to raid, make sure to read up on boss strategies and things like that so you have some idea of what is coming. If you have any more questions, this is the place to ask!
#18 Feb 22 2009 at 11:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Congrats on the runs- both very fun instances, and no major learning curves. Well, just remember jump and cleanse on that poxy dragon (guess which pally didn't know *that* when he went).

Keep running, n keep having fun :)

Ttfn,

Jon
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