Fury war: need help and opinnion pleaseFollow

The spec is a little weird, and the enchants could be better. The gear is solid otherwise.

The spec looks like a PvP spec. And a weird one at that.

18/51/0 as a spec is more streamlined towards specific PvE dps. This gives you 2 talent points to spend as you see fit somewhere else.

What's the attack rotation of skills?

BT > WW > Slam > Heroic Strike?

She should be getting a bit higher, but it depends on the fight. Longer fights are better for a more accurate comparison of DPS (Boss fights not trash).

What are you fighting, and what rotation does she do?

Quor, I'm glad you're geared like that, cos having just hit 80, and not really having access to run many high level instances, or even 10-man raids very soon, I've dedicated my efforts to initially gear myself as best as possible without having to count of heroic drops. By my estimates, I should be able to actually get myself comfortably naxx-10 ready without even setting foot in an heroic instance.

You may be asking why would I want to do that ... well, it's simple, my playtimes are wierd, late, finishing later, and while being online for about 3 hours ... I'm only at the keyboard for about 2 hours ... not very conducive circumstances for raiding ... this will change soon, but when it does, I want to be ready.

So, my gear is a mix between crafted (am a blacksmith), quested and rep rewards ... Now, that may sound a bit blegh, but if you consider the spiked TS helm, Spiked TS boots (initially, when I get EH rep to exalted, I'll get the boots), TS destroyer, Chestpiece and legs of command (armoursmith), Runeblade from EH revered, a few pvp crafted lvl 78 blues, and some quest rewards, I can amass about 3500 ap unbuffed with 28% crit and around 190 hit. And even the red belt of battle (can you believe that in this gear consideration bracket, that's still the best piece I can use). Not too shabby.

Now, I have a question (yes, it was going to come ;->) ... with the Runeblade in the off hand ... is it better to mainhand the TS destroyer or another Runeblade ... now before anyone goes off all balistic call me an idiot (I'm heavily in favour of the TS destroyer, which seems to be a no brainer...

... I'm not sure how familiar you are with Landsoul from EJ's spreadsheet. They (the EJ regulars) are starting to give it pretty major endorsements, mainly because of the intense scrutiny it's been subjected to by a lot of the folk there. Now, with all the lovely pieces I've mentioned above, equipping Dual Runeblades works out to a 20dps increase over TSD in the MH and a Runeblade in the OH ... the only benefit the Runeblade has is the massive amount of crit (nearly 2% extra). TSD has a boatload more AP (in the form of str, to top it all), and a truckload of hit (without it, I'm under softcap), not to mention nearly 20 dps more as pure white dps.

So what would be the reason that the spreadsheet says another Runeblade is better that the TSD in the mainhand ... it goes against my grain to ignore an awesome piece like the TSD (I probably won't ignore it ultimately, the stated difference is small enough to not make me worried about it).. but if anyone has any opinions / input, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks all

Thanks mate ... There's no doubt in my mind what I'm going for, and that's the TSD in my main hand (as soon as I've made all the titansteel necessary, and gotten the last 6 points to get to 440 blacksmithing).

I've had a bit of a brain-wave though (yup, it hurt bad, but I'll recover ;->), I do believe that Landsoul's spreadsheet is factoring in the deep wounds double-dipping bug that they've just fixed. Not being able to access EJ's site from work, I can't see if he's addressed that at all, but if I remove the 3 points in Deep wounds, the balance shifts dramatically over to the norm that we're expecting.

Based on this, I can only assume that as you throw more crit (such as what the Runeblade has) at the area of the calculations that were bugged, it would skew those calculations.

Well, I'm at home now, and have been able to get onto the EJ forums. It appears the model was making the same mistakes as the Deep wounds bug, and he's fixed that. I got the new Spreadsheet, but the results remain the same, although now with the same glaring gap - it used to show a 20dps difference, now it's about 8 dps ... still with the Runeblade over the TSD.

It really had me confused, because AP is Waaay higher with the TSD equipped, and without it, I'm under softcap for hit ... so I started playing around, and I believe I've found it.

My crit rate on my gear still needs a lot of work, and that'll come, but with the TSD equipped, crit rate is only at just under 27%. Equipping the Runeblade in it's place pushes that up by around 2.5% to around 29.5% - that's nearly a 10% increase. Now it appears at these levels of crit, a 10% increase in crit results in such a big difference that it affects overall dps by means of a massive shift in deep wounds damage.

Once you start piling on the crit (at the 43% levels you're talking about Quor), 2.5% extra crit doesn't really affect dps to the same extent, making the increase in AP and crit behave like one would think.

Long story short, I need to up my crit, because it appears that crit, at such low levels, is a better dps builder that ap. I still can't say I agree 100%, but the spreadsheet and 2 other models I've tried say the same thing.

As for the concern about the rage generation model, he does an iterative calculation which attempts to replicate a "real life" scenario ... catering for possible periods of avoidance-induced rage starvation, and feeding those periods back into the rotation cycle, meaning that in some instances where an "Infinite rage" model may allow for an ability to be used as soon as it's available, that ability may not actually be executed, because there may not be enough rage. Very nicely thought out.