Which is better for Ret Pally DPS?
My Pally is currently wearing these
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=41391&source=live&locale=enUS
However, I had these drop in 10 man Naxx. I got them by default (nobody wanted them).
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=39236&source=live&locale=enUS
Opinions?
Edited, Feb 16th 2009 3:25pm by soulfulstrut
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You don't really need intellect, and strength is superior to raw attack power. I believe that the spiked titansteel treads win. +80 Str is just really hard for a Ret Pally to give up for boots that have no +Str at all regardless of what the other stats are.
Yeah, the Int would give you a bit higher mana pool, and the agility would give you even more crit, but your strenght (and therefore your attack power) would actually go DOWN in spite of the fact that the mail boots have what appears to be a crapton of attack power on them. I think if you compared your base raw DPS numbers with either pair of boots on, the spiked titansteel would give a better base DPS number.
I can definitely see the allure of the mail boots, but the Int and Haste are wasted, and the complete lack of +Str is not made up for by the attack power. Your crit% would probably go up a decent amount and your mana pool would be a bit higher, but overall your base DPS number and your actual sustained DPS would probably go down a bit.
Edited, Feb 16th 2009 3:38pm by jeromesimina
Yeah, the Int would give you a bit higher mana pool, and the agility would give you even more crit, but your strenght (and therefore your attack power) would actually go DOWN in spite of the fact that the mail boots have what appears to be a crapton of attack power on them. I think if you compared your base raw DPS numbers with either pair of boots on, the spiked titansteel would give a better base DPS number.
I can definitely see the allure of the mail boots, but the Int and Haste are wasted, and the complete lack of +Str is not made up for by the attack power. Your crit% would probably go up a decent amount and your mana pool would be a bit higher, but overall your base DPS number and your actual sustained DPS would probably go down a bit.
Edited, Feb 16th 2009 3:38pm by jeromesimina
Unbuffed, the two are about as equal as can be where DPS is concerned. And the mail boots have the +int, which is seductive, but it's not enough to make a decisive difference even if you are having mana problems. But the kicker is that the plate boots get most of their DPS from +str, which scales with talents/buffs, and the mail boots get theirs from raw +AP, which doesn't, at least for paladins. Fully raid-buffed, I'd expect the plate boots to be at least 10dps higher than the mail.
Good point that the +Str scales with talents and buffs. If you have 5/5 divine strength (any 80 Ret that doesn't must be insane) you are already getting more than +80 Str from the plate boots. Add to that that if you are in a Raid and have GOTW and BoK, that +80 Str from the plate boots just turned into a huge number (and the raw attack power on the mail boots won't even come close to competing at that point).
Yes, the int might be nice, but if you are having mana issues it probably has more to do with playstyle than lack of mana pool, and yes the agility and slightly higher crit rating are nice, but the Plate boots still win since strength is by far the most important stat for Ret and it does scale with talents and buffs.
Yes, the int might be nice, but if you are having mana issues it probably has more to do with playstyle than lack of mana pool, and yes the agility and slightly higher crit rating are nice, but the Plate boots still win since strength is by far the most important stat for Ret and it does scale with talents and buffs.
Plate boots = 101 str(202ap) and .76% crit(raid buffed)
Mail boots = 132ap, 1.75% crit, .88% haste, 495 mana
Using dps stat weighting from EJs:
Unbuffed(*still talented str increase):
Plate = 200 dps
Mail = 179 dps
Raid buffed:
Plate = 217 dps
Mail = 183dps
Mail boots = 132ap, 1.75% crit, .88% haste, 495 mana
Using dps stat weighting from EJs:
Quote:
When using SoB your DPS return on 100 of each stat is as follows:
Str 185
Hit rating 138
Crit rating 87
Exp rating 85
Agil 83
AP 73
Haste rating 48
Armor Penetration 47
SP 27
When making weightings, pay attention to your hit/expertise caps. These weights ignore them!
Str 185
Hit rating 138
Crit rating 87
Exp rating 85
Agil 83
AP 73
Haste rating 48
Armor Penetration 47
SP 27
When making weightings, pay attention to your hit/expertise caps. These weights ignore them!
Unbuffed(*still talented str increase):
Plate = 200 dps
Mail = 179 dps
Raid buffed:
Plate = 217 dps
Mail = 183dps
I think you might be double counting?
80 Strength = 148 dps return
35 Crit = 30.45 dps return
For 178.5 dps return
vs
132 Attack Power = 96.4 dps return
44 Crit rating = 38.3 dps return
38 Agility = 31.5 dps return
29 Haste Rating = 13.9 dps return
For 180.1 dps return
Doesn't the stat weighting already take into account talents?
80 Strength = 148 dps return
35 Crit = 30.45 dps return
For 178.5 dps return
vs
132 Attack Power = 96.4 dps return
44 Crit rating = 38.3 dps return
38 Agility = 31.5 dps return
29 Haste Rating = 13.9 dps return
For 180.1 dps return
Doesn't the stat weighting already take into account talents?
You'd still use the Titansteel ones. The haste is irrelevant, and the agi gives you slightly more crit, which isn't that astounding for Wrath raids. The +80 strength on the Titansteel makes them more desirable.
The Ebon Blade boots blow them both out of the water, though. You should be aiming for them if you want some easy DPS boots.
The Ebon Blade boots blow them both out of the water, though. You should be aiming for them if you want some easy DPS boots.
Haste isn't irrelevant, its just not very good, which is why its rated around 1/3 the benefit per point of strength. I want to see some other people explain the math a little more though.
soulfulstrut wrote:
Which is better for Ret Pally DPS?
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=44306
Dont bother with boots from anywhere else.
arthoriuss wrote:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=44306
Dont bother with boots from anywhere else.
Dont bother with boots from anywhere else.
I was going to call shenanigans on this, but I realized that my spreadsheet is not only undervaluing strength by not including the +25% for talents, it's also gemming for socket colors, which costs the Ebon Blade boots 20(!) strength over gemming with the +16s - all to get +6 hit, which probably doesn't matter at all (since I'm trying to shed hit with my offspec gear and it's far from the best).
It turns out that the boots linked above are BIS short of maximum item level, and comparable even to those (Melancholy Sabatons). My bad.
Yeah, something I love about being a jewelcrafter. For 3 sockets there's no such thing as the wrong color! Also it's +27 frikking strength. 27!
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