Weapons with +AP in Bear/Cat/MoonkinFollow

I am having trouble figuring out this +AP that is seen in some weapons (mainly staves).
Last patch didnt explain it very clearly.
For weapons that grant Agil + Strength and ALSO state that it grants "X" attack power only in Bear, Cat, and Moonkin forms I really dont see any increase in the AP once I equip the weapon.
Aren't these weapons supposed to be increasing my AP ON TOP of that given by STR/AGIL?

Yes, it's on top of everything already granted by the other stats as it is directly derived from the weapon's DPS, which you would not normally look at.

Like Tavarde said, make sure you are in a Feral form or Moonkin before equipping/unequipping the weapon as you will gain that specific AP bonus only in forms but not in caster form. Much like Agility is converted to AP only in Cat form.

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 9:36am by Selverein

Str gives more AP than Agility. Agi only gives AP in cat form.


edit: we don't have act form.

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 8:45pm by Horsemouth

edit: Also depending on talents you get various AP buffs depending on form that aren't the same for each form.

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 8:46pm by Horsemouth

2681 unbuffed cat AP.

Equipping War Mace of Unrequited Love with a stated AP of 471. Using a caster weapon to make math easier btw.

Result is 3303 AP. 3303-2681=622 That is an extra 151 AP but that doesn't count talents that aren't baked into the form.

Predatory Strikes should give 20% of weapon AP. 20% of 471 is 94.2. This gives a total weapon AP of 565.2.

Checked the AP tooltip and they show +1166 no weapon and +1788 with weapon. Which is showing the mace giving 622 AP. It is giving more than it should.

Goggled it and got this post . The post states PS is having issues with Str, AP and Agi with regards to weapons as well. He has math. The link is from January on the PTR forums. Can't link to the post the blue tracker is showing either which is very irritating.

Let's check bear using the same weapon.

1877 unbuffed AP.

Equipping mace I have 2475 AP. 598 ghost AP before talents factored in to the mix.

The total weapon is 565.2 same as in cat after PS is factored in the AP granted.

The difference is 32.8. But PotP gives a 6% AP bonus. 6% of 565.2 is 33.912. Which is close enough for me as I have no idea how and when Blizz rounds decimals.

So bear seems to be fine and adding AP as it should. Cat I am missing something or it is just bugged a bit.

Any one else want to do math? I don't. Its beer time now.

/facepalm

I forgetted that one.

Will check with a more feral weapon when I get home.

The post from the PTR guy has me thinking that the OP might not be mistaken.

Anyway the lesson here is don't drink and math.

I appreciate all the opinions and brain-twisting math but... The fact is that everyone keeps on missing the point.
1st of all the math from the STR + AGIL and talents alone still doesnt not add up. But even worse is what the original question is about; which is "What happened to the + feral AP the tooltip says I should get in addition to STR and AGIL.
And no, this is not "an enchant" on the weapon. It shows as regular weapon stats on tooltip.
I'll throw in exact numbers.

With all gear taken off (woot...nakkid Drood) my Unbuffed AP in cat is 419 and in Bear is 395.
Lets use "Angerstaff of the Beast" Tooltip says this staff has +19 AGI / 19 STR / 19 STA PLUS 45 AP in cat, bear, etc.

in cat I should get (STR)19*2 + (AGI)19*1 AP = 57
if we add Pred.Strikes: 57 * 1.2 = 68.4
if we add Heart of wild: 68.4 * 1.1 = 75.2 (or 57 *0.1 + 68.4)= 74 if they dont stack.

When I equip this staff my AP goes from 419 to 485 (gain of 66) I am short 9 points.
BUT EVEN WORSE than these 9 points is WHERE IS THE +45 AP that the tooltip says the staff has in addition to STR/AGIL..???

making it simpler another staff with only strength/stam and feral AP
"...staff of the bear" tooltip says it has +26 STR / 26 Stam AND 85 AP in cat, bear, moonkin.
in cat form 26 STR = 52 AP
with Pred. Strike= 52*1.2 = 62.4
with Heart of Wild= 62.4*1.1= 68.64 or 62.4 + 52*0.1= 67.6 if not stacked

Equiping the Staff only gives me +60 AP Again the math doesnt add up AND I still dont see the +85 AP the tooltip says it should have.
The same thing happens in bear form changing Heart of the wild for Protector of the pack (6%)
Regardless what form, what stats, how accurate the math.. the major point is that the extra feral AP shown on the weapon NEVER appears on the character sheet once equipped.
I have tried this with 4 different staves all with the same results.

I agree with you (an your math) 100%.
However, according to these numbers YOU ARE getting the FAP your staff says it should give you.
I am not with the previously mentioned staves.
So all I can conclude is that the (lower lvl) feral druid staves are Glitched. They DO NOT give the FAP the tooltip says. Anyways, submitted ticket and I doubt I'll ever get a detailed answer much less solution from Blizzard.
By the time they fix this thing I'll be level 80 and these Weapons will be Obsolute.
Moral of the Story.... DONT BUY Weapons with feral AP... you may not get what you think youre paying for...!
Peace...!