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Umm, basing accuracy out of one incidence is hardly grounds for declaring "better", have you checked the mechanisms for other classes/abilities?

I'm a frost tank spec now, and I'm doing a good job at making myself look bad, but there happened to be a 2H Unholy DPS in the same run.

http://wowwebstats.com/2kqorompby3za

Through a whole 3/4 of Naxx, there was one tanking drop. It was barely better than my old necklace.

You're right, I did misunderstand you. The reason I think it is superior to WWS (and I used WWS every day for over a year) is because this new parse gives me much more detailed information than WWS does (quick example: dodge/parry/miss as opposed to just miss) and the dps results seem closer to what they actually should be. I accidentally put one of my combat logs on WWS by mistake last week and did not like the result and re-confirmed I like this one better. However, I won't belittle you if you're a die-hard WWS fan.


Yes everything does have a theoretical limit, but I have always found real information way more useful than theoretical information. This is why I review parses of the top guilds on my server, watch videos of them, and talk to players about what they actually did. Theorycrafting is nice and all, but I have had it lead me in the wrong direction and make my performance worse many more times than it has lead me in the right direction. That said, this is a personal opinion of my own, and I'm fine with agreeing to disagree with you here.


Nothing in the game of warcraft is hard element, nothing. Raiding isn't hard... Arena isn't hard... Nothing in this game is hard. This has become one of the most carebear and least challenging games I have ever played. At the same time, that does not mean that I should just be satisfied with my current performance. Every time I achieve a new personal record I think "That's great and all, but I bet I can do even better." If I didn't push myself to improve, this game would become really boring, really quick.

EDIT: Thanks for the parse Ehcks!

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 12:51pm by Dilbrt

Well I don't use WWS, I track my performance via Omen and Recount (since I tank).

Comparing classes is kind of meh, as it changes. Pre-Wrath, in BT for example, the DPS ranks shifted on a regular basis solely from encounters, which is why I dislike the "Patchwerk standard". You should have a pretty good idea of what your optimal dps is from theorycrafting, and recount comparisons.

Parsers may help with the horrible players, but personal standards are better off monitored by Recount, especially if you run the real-time stuff and look over the graphs.

When I say recount, I mean any reliable damage meter, recount just happens to be the one I use.

And Dilbrt I know how you feel, because I did the same thing on my warlock, until I realized how worthless WWS/Parsers were for most classes.

Eh, Recount for the most part has matched up pretty well with our guild's WWS parses, some minor differences but nothing big or significant. On the fights through T6 content, it was never really off by more than a 1%.

It sounds like you are in a raid where everyone uses a different dmg meter which is probably the source of your errors.

You are missing my point, combat parses do not show live results, while you may pull 4k dps, you more than likely peaked during Heroism/Bloodlust and might have dropped somewhere. Improving your DPS or maximizing your performance doesn't come from a simple tightening up your rotation, its how you manage to minimize those times where you aren't dps-ing or your performance drop because of any number of in-game and out-of-game reasons.

Like I'll use a personal example, I use to compete in my guild on Supremus in BT as a Destro Lock against the Affliction Lock, meaning I had to up my DPS during the tank phase and maximize DPS during the kiting phase. Will a parser show you that? Nope.