Patch 3.0.9 Rogue ChangesFollow

The thing is that popping SnD earlier means more haste earlier on ... meaning more damage, and therefore less of a requirement for a longer KS.

Also bear in mind that if ruthlessness does proc, your KS is a 3 pointer ... which is a 4 second stun, and 8 seconds in total. If it doesn't, your total stun is 7 seconds, which should be more than enough to burn the mob down without it hitting you, especially with your attack speed being 30% (40% after patch) more.

Waiting for a 5 point KS is safe, don't get me wrong, and works well .. I just always found that it simply dragged the encounter out longer than I felt comfortable.

I have been assuming that taking HFB is pointless for leveling. So the change is a pretty big decrease in DPS for me. Mobs actually outlive my stuns now. My 2.8K Muti crits are more like 1700 Muti crits, and my non crits are pathetically low at some crazy **** like 800 (from the little bit of testing I did).

I respec'd to combat and just couldn't live with it, so I tried a Sub/HAT build. Soloing, a sub build with setup and ghostly feels about as efficient as muti without HFB.

I pugged with the HAT build and I don't know what they nerfed, because the point generation was so insane I didn't know what to do with all the points. I was in there with a fire mage, 2 DK's, and a priest. It felt like Hemo, 5 point S&D, Hemo, 5point Rupture, Hemo, 5 Point evis, Hemo 5 point evis Evis, Hemo 5 point evis, rinse and repeat. If those eviscerates could have been envenoms I think my DPS would have been decent, but I'm generating points so fast with HAT that I don't think I could get the DP stacks up. I'm going to play around with the calculator to see if I can get improved and vile poisons into the build then maybe go DP on both weps.

Any other rogues up here playing with HAT and DP/envenom?

Technically your first 'nerf' was a hotfix, I think.

Making HFB more manditory. Will still be playing my Paladin (with 30 minute seals! Just say no to annoying refresh abilities)

Actually I am interested to see how this works out. Its a straight buff to combat, which needed it, and may make it competitive. I *think* its probably about neutral to mutilate build, but HfB annoys the hell out of me. In stead of them making it more convenient they've made it more mandatory (it already was) so mutilate is still right out for me. Might see how combat does though!

Edited, Feb 11th 2009 3:56pm by digitalcraft

What the hell, dude? I was being nice.

Go wail on someone else. I wasn't trying to **** you off, I was pointing out that I'd never, ever had to use KS while leveling, and it seemed silly that you had to when sh*t dies so fast.



No, but when we're discussing tiny discrepancies in a rogue's DPS, yes, we're talking about raiding. PvP rogues don't measure their DPS to see if they're good at PvP. Raid rogues do that. Leveling rogues do whatever makes them level faster. Mentalfrog pretty much said everything. This is a nerf for muti PvP, a sidegrade for muti raiders, and totally irrelevant for mutilate rogues who are still leveling up because when you're leveling stuff dies in eight seconds, and the nerf isn't that bad.

Seriously. Go have a cup of coffee, take the fourteen-inch vibrator out of your ***, sit down, and chill out.

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 5:54am by zepoodle

For the record, Vvillain, looking at the posts, Zep had some cursing in his post but didn't flame at all. You started that.

In either case, a wise man once said "Never argue with an idiot, because from a distance people can't tell which is which".

Let's just get back to talking patch and get some stfu going on.

Less QQ, more pew pew, and all that.

No, we're still here. You just haven't made a dumb enough post until now to realize that I still read this forum.

Go back and read the thread; Zep gave you valid advice and facts, you were the douche twizzler who decided to start flaming.

Unless you have no idea what you're doing, mobs should die as mut in a CS > KS > Evis cycle in the worst case. If they don't, you're doing something terribly, awfully, horribly wrong.

Note I said "in the worst case".

Duh.

My mobs still die inside CS.

I'll see what I can do, but don't get your hopes up.

I'm not inclined at all to log in right now; the only reason I still post here is because I get wifi in class.