Alright I'm a semi-new tankadin. I was tanking in BC on my paladin alt and I thought all there was too it was turn on rightous fury run smack a mob and concencrate.
Now as I level My paladin I am learn about tanking and stuff. (Proximity theat? Who would've thought.) I after reading the FAQ I still have some questions.
Th faq says the maximum physical reduction is 75% so once you reach 75% reduction is that like the ultimate amount you can get? Does the extra % from talents stack on top of that? Or is it your armor and talent reduction can only equal up to 75%?
The FAQ mentions essential talents. I'm fairly certain I have most of them. It dooesn't mention any specific build. If anyone is willing and has the time do you think you can check out my talents? (Diestructo on Shu'halo)
Thank-you for any help.
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75% is the maximum reduction that ARMOR will provide. Which isn't a big deal for us because it's not likely that we'll be able to stack enough armor to reach that point. Death Knights and (especially) Druids have abilities that increase their armor by a great deal and it is something that may be of concern to them.
Other -% mitigation like Sanctuary, Righteous Fury, etc are still applicable, but they don't add straight onto your armor mitigation.
Armor = 62%
Sanc = 3%
Righeous Fury = 6%
Shield of Templar = 3%
You do NOT have 62 + 3 + 6 + 3 = 74% damage reduction. That's not the way they stack. First 62% of the total damage would be reduced, and then the damage reduction from talents would be applied to what's left (the remaining 38% of the damage that armor could not mitigate). So while yes, in theory you could have more than 75% total mitigation using talents + armor it's not so likely that a Paladin will ever have to worry about it.
Also blocks, shields, and anything that shaves a fixed amount of damage off an attack can apply too, to the point that you COULD have 100% theoretical mitigation.
Consider this sample using EXTREMELY simple conditions:
You are Protection spec but you are NOT tanking. You're along for the ride, and have Righteous Fury and Sanctuary turned off. Your armor provides you 60% mitigation. Shield of the Templar provides you 3%. This is designed to make the situation extremely simple.
You are hit, you do not block, for 10000 physical damage. Your armor reduces this damage by 60%, leaving 4000 physical damage. Shield of the Templar reduces this remaining damage by 3%, leaving 3880.
Mitigation by armor is something that we should not be highly concerned about. If we gear up properly in Plate in such a way that we have all of our other defensive stats covered, we should have an appropriate amount of armor.
Other -% mitigation like Sanctuary, Righteous Fury, etc are still applicable, but they don't add straight onto your armor mitigation.
Armor = 62%
Sanc = 3%
Righeous Fury = 6%
Shield of Templar = 3%
You do NOT have 62 + 3 + 6 + 3 = 74% damage reduction. That's not the way they stack. First 62% of the total damage would be reduced, and then the damage reduction from talents would be applied to what's left (the remaining 38% of the damage that armor could not mitigate). So while yes, in theory you could have more than 75% total mitigation using talents + armor it's not so likely that a Paladin will ever have to worry about it.
Also blocks, shields, and anything that shaves a fixed amount of damage off an attack can apply too, to the point that you COULD have 100% theoretical mitigation.
Consider this sample using EXTREMELY simple conditions:
You are Protection spec but you are NOT tanking. You're along for the ride, and have Righteous Fury and Sanctuary turned off. Your armor provides you 60% mitigation. Shield of the Templar provides you 3%. This is designed to make the situation extremely simple.
You are hit, you do not block, for 10000 physical damage. Your armor reduces this damage by 60%, leaving 4000 physical damage. Shield of the Templar reduces this remaining damage by 3%, leaving 3880.
Mitigation by armor is something that we should not be highly concerned about. If we gear up properly in Plate in such a way that we have all of our other defensive stats covered, we should have an appropriate amount of armor.
Ahhhhh. Life suddenly makes since again.
alright another thing is priority.
I was tanking HoS yesterday and notice the rotation i was doing. When my Holy shield would be wearing off so would my concencration. Whichever won I chose to use means I would be without the other for a second or two. Is scacrificing the threat worth a 30% increased chance to do reduce damage. Or should I always keep threat as my number 1 concern?
alright another thing is priority.
I was tanking HoS yesterday and notice the rotation i was doing. When my Holy shield would be wearing off so would my concencration. Whichever won I chose to use means I would be without the other for a second or two. Is scacrificing the threat worth a 30% increased chance to do reduce damage. Or should I always keep threat as my number 1 concern?
potsoriginal wrote:
Ahhhhh. Life suddenly makes since again.
alright another thing is priority.
I was tanking HoS yesterday and notice the rotation i was doing. When my Holy shield would be wearing off so would my concencration. Whichever won I chose to use means I would be without the other for a second or two. Is scacrificing the threat worth a 30% increased chance to do reduce damage. Or should I always keep threat as my number 1 concern?
alright another thing is priority.
I was tanking HoS yesterday and notice the rotation i was doing. When my Holy shield would be wearing off so would my concencration. Whichever won I chose to use means I would be without the other for a second or two. Is scacrificing the threat worth a 30% increased chance to do reduce damage. Or should I always keep threat as my number 1 concern?
Holy Shield > Consecration. Holy shield is mit and threat, it's a no-brainer.
Don't let Consc. become a threat crutch.
Mindel is totally correct. Having holy shield up is not only reducing the damage you take, it is CAUSING damage to the mobs hitting you which is also generating threat. If you get to a point in your rotation where you have to choose between virtually anything else vs. holy shield, get your holy shield back up first.
The one exception I could possibly think of is if Omen is telling you that someone is about to pull threat off of you, in which case I would use the highest-threat move available first and then get holy shield back up.
The one exception I could possibly think of is if Omen is telling you that someone is about to pull threat off of you, in which case I would use the highest-threat move available first and then get holy shield back up.
Alright. Yeah yesterday I hhad an 80 dk with me who looks naxx ready. So he was bordering threat with me quite often.
At my level holy shield doesn't mean threat always for me. Still trying to gear up. I'm at about 70% chance to block when redoubt procs and i have holy shield up.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2009 3:22pm by potsoriginal
At my level holy shield doesn't mean threat always for me. Still trying to gear up. I'm at about 70% chance to block when redoubt procs and i have holy shield up.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2009 3:22pm by potsoriginal
Relying on Redoubt is for bad times though :D Don't concern yourself with your block chance when it procs, pretend the proc doesn't even exist.
Give it time and you'll work out a casting rotation in which Consecration and Holy Shield will alternate, rather than casting them one after another. Then you'll never have to worry about renewing them both again. Also remember that Holy Shield LASTS 10 seconds but the cooldown is 8 seconds, so if it's the cooldowns that are finishing together you still have Holy Shield up for the GCD if the charges aren't used.
Give it time and you'll work out a casting rotation in which Consecration and Holy Shield will alternate, rather than casting them one after another. Then you'll never have to worry about renewing them both again. Also remember that Holy Shield LASTS 10 seconds but the cooldown is 8 seconds, so if it's the cooldowns that are finishing together you still have Holy Shield up for the GCD if the charges aren't used.
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Holy Shield > Consecration. Holy shield is mit and threat, it's a no-brainer.
Don't let Consc. become a threat crutch.
Don't let Consc. become a threat crutch.
While this is often true, keep in mind holy shield does 0 threat and mitigation against mobs that are only casting spells at you. Cons is also better when aoe trash tanking as guaranteed threat>a chance at mitigation/threat, especially if a trash pack is mixed(has melee+casters). But this point is pretty moot as you should be able to maintain both without the cds ever colliding(unless you have the fail glyph of cons). Use the '969' rotation and you will never have an issue with the cds.
Except that while the OP is levelling it's entirely possible that all he has are 3 long cooldown abilities, though if he was tanking in TBC he presumably has Hammer, for at least 1 short CD -- the other short CD doesnt come until 75 though.
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Give it time and you'll work out a casting rotation in which Consecration and Holy Shield will alternate, rather than casting them one after another. Then you'll never have to worry about renewing them both again. Also remember that Holy Shield LASTS 10 seconds but the cooldown is 8 seconds, so if it's the cooldowns that are finishing together you still have Holy Shield up for the GCD if the charges aren't used.
If he glyphed Consencration, then the cooldowns will be a bit wonky. If you do have Consencration glyphed, I would suggest unglyphing it. (That way your cooldowns won't overlap like that, and you will always be able to keep Holy Shield and Consencration up at the same time)
Edit: Spelling is hard.
Edited, Feb 3rd 2009 1:05am by Zeromatter
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