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#1 Feb 02 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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My tree is my main character, but lately I've been gearing up my hunter too. While doing these runs, I've sometimes grouped with other resto druids. I can't help but watch them and see how they're doing.

Usually I'm dying to start giving advice.

I don't want to tell people how to play, but it's hard when I see someone struggling to heal a fight I know I could handle with relative ease. When this happens, first I check their gear. If they're in a lot of blues and some greens, I shrug it off and figure they're working on it. I also look at recount. My two main spells are Lifebloom and Rejuv. LB alone counts for 45-55% of my healing in almost all cases. I ran UK with a decently geared tree last week who was struggling to keep up. Her top spell was Regrowth.

I've never tried a healing style other than my own. Rejuv, LB stack, Regrowth (if needed) on the tank as he's running in, then sit back and watch out for part/raid damage while keeping the tank's hots up. I'm starting to work in Nourish as a quick tank pick-me-up. This works very very well for me. Is this an optimal approach or is relying on the bigger direct heals just as valid?

Is it ever appropriate to take someone aside and say "I know what you could be doing to make life easier on yourself," or something to that effect?
#2 Feb 02 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Laecy wrote:
Is it ever appropriate to take someone aside and say "I know what you could be doing to make life easier on yourself," or something to that effect?


I've done this with multiple people to varying effect. Anywhere from gear suggestions to spec and style. How they take your suggestion will depend on how you approach them as well as their attitude. Start out by blasting them down and you're certain to be met with resistance. Lead into helping them by complementing them on keeping the party up and offering a suggestion or asking a question will likely lead to better results. Some people are just general "know-it-all"s whether they actually do or not and will not take any suggestions you offer.

I'd have to say what do you have to lose by trying?
#3 Feb 02 2009 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not a healer, and regardless of spec, style, and so forth. I love advice, personally I don't open my mouth unless I know what I'm saying and know the mechanics of the class like the back of my hand. So long as your friendly, and not elitist sounding I can't imagine what the problem could be. ^^
#4 Feb 02 2009 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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On the rare occasions where I am in a position to give someone advice on their class, I generally start off by whispering them something to the effect of "nice job during that run. I play an <class> too, so I know how it can be." That may solicit a conversation where I can inform them of how I do things, which they can take and act on in the future...or not.

As my young druid grows up and becomes a better healer, I hope others who have experience with druid healers feel free to give me advice. I'll gladly accept advice on how to be better (short of telling me I need add-ons...nobody "needs" add-ons hehe). But offer it as advice and not condescending criticism, please.

Good luck!
#5 Feb 02 2009 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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I will generally start by asking them questions. I want to see why they are doing weird stuff. Sometimes they are just testing something out. Other times they were given bad information or are just shooting blindly trying to hit fish in bucket. Helps to know their logic first as they may be basing some decisions off things that have changed since chocolate.

A good example is several feral DPS that I have seen gemming and chanting for agility still not knowing that they changed the stat conversions. Simply giving them the heads up will often be all you need to do.

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#6 Feb 02 2009 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
Not that I've done much alt work, but in any game I try to make it friendly first - mention that you've been in their shoes and would they like to hear some suggestions on what you took away from your experience(s) that may help them out.

And do it in whispers - no need to out them in front of your entire group that you think they're lacking, especially as it sometimes tends to start a 'mob mentality' and get some of the other members agreeing, which just makes it more stressful.
#7 Feb 03 2009 at 1:59 AM Rating: Excellent
There will always be that someone who doesn't take advice well, as long as you are willing to accept that then I say go for it.

I suggest the sandwich method of constructive critique. (many have already posted just that or something similar)

Bread: Start out with a compliment and something to identify yourself with them.

The meat (or tofu): Give your suggestion/crit. It might help to have a "why" to it.

Bread: Wrap it up on a positive with a compliment.

Personally I would of loved it (and still would) if another tree druid gave me advice and pointers. Everything I've learned has been through personal experience and reading forums. I've never grouped or raided with another tree. (I group with friends mostly and I'm the only tree in our guild)

Feel free to post more pointers :) I will devour them like the cheese danish I just ate.


#8 Feb 03 2009 at 4:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Horsemouth wrote:
A good example is several feral DPS that I have seen gemming and chanting for agility still not knowing that they changed the stat conversions. Simply giving them the heads up will often be all you need to do.
An excellent example, seeing as I didn't know that.
Thread highjack here we go!
So stacking agility is a waste of time nowdays? eg. all my gear is chosen because of it's agility, little else. Is that wrong?
#9 Feb 03 2009 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
I've seen quite a lot of druids trying to heal with healing touch/nourish/regrowth and occaisionally using rejuv. It is soo much easier to keep all 3 HoTs up and use the occaisional HT/nourish/regrowth. As a tank it is scary to see only one HoT on me while being healed by a tree.

#10 Feb 04 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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I'm doing the opposite of you, I have a hunter and I'm leveling a druid. I've spent a bunch of time trying to figure out druid healing, reading these forums and others, but having someone in the game give me advice after seeing me play would be fantastic. I'd hope that they'd be nice about it, but I'm always looking for pointers.

On the other hand, if someone tries to tell me how to play on my hunter, they had better be polite to the point of deference or I'm going to smack them. Of course I also follow hunter theory crafting pretty closely.

Edited, Feb 4th 2009 12:38pm by Xsarus
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#11 Feb 05 2009 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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An excellent example, seeing as I didn't know that.
Thread highjack here we go!
So stacking agility is a waste of time nowdays? eg. all my gear is chosen because of it's agility, little else. Is that wrong?


same, i mean, agi does give you crit and some ap, along with armor. i dont see why i wouldnt gem that? unless i desperately needed some AP, then id stack str.
#12 Feb 05 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
Because AP is the quickest way to increasing your DPS, thanks to our talents and abilities that give us multipliers to it (plus just the simple fact of 14AP=1DPS).

Between Heart of the Wild and Savage Roar, high AP is the number one thing you should be striving for.
#13 Feb 05 2009 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I am never one to really keep my mouth shut, so if it were me I'd probably tell him, "hey, I'm a resto druid main and you're doing ok but it'd probably help if you did this: ~"

When I switched to resto and started heroics, the glyphed Healing touch spell was probably my most cast spell. Partially because I hadn't figured out Nourish and I thought faster cast->bigger heals->better.

I was wrong, had another druid not said anything to me about it I would have continued that road.

People still get on my case about the rotation I use sometimes. I don't even have the 4 piece T7 bonus (5% bonus to nourish for each HoT) and Nourish is my go-to spell, and I probably honestly cast Wild Growth (even with 6 second cooldown) more than anything. But I get compliments all the time and rarely run out of mana, so I tend to stick with what works best for me and my party/raid.

I'm stubborn too if you can't tell.
#14 Feb 06 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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As already stated, if you come across as rude or just mean, then your "helping" will only have the opposite effect. Start with positive feedback and then give constructive critiscm. I know that from playing a priest forever, that when I switched to Druid it took me a while to figure out their heals and how/when to use them. Seeing as I am only in the mid levels, I know I do not have access to all the cool tricks and/or I am learning when to use them. So I always appreciate positive feedback... especially from someone that states that their main is so and so, or that they speak in a manner that lends me to believe they know what they are talking about.

The hard part is trying to be nice to someone at times. Example, in a PUG with low level toons, the warrior tank was using taunt as his only threat, so we were constantly trying to save each other. Thankfully, the rest of the group picked it up, but the warrior refused to use any other sort of threat, because... in his(her) own words, it is a waste and then I won't be tops on the damage meters. I thought we were past that in this day and age of WoW, but I was wrong...
#15 Feb 09 2009 at 5:10 AM Rating: Good
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WhiskeyDuck wrote:
Thankfully, the rest of the group picked it up, but the warrior refused to use any other sort of threat, because... in his(her) own words, it is a waste and then I won't be tops on the damage meters. I thought we were past that in this day and age of WoW, but I was wrong...


IMO, it's only just begun. The way people are insisting on AoE'ing down everything all the time. And how Blizz keeps giving every class in the game an AoE attack.

I finally got my drood to 80 Saturday, after being caught by the DK bug, and yesterday I tanked heroic Nexus, UK and VH. Had a couple guildies and a Pugged priest healer. I had to ask the mage to give me 5 seconds before he AoE'd the ***** out of every pull. Maul's awesome(MMMMmmm Glyphed), but Swipe doesn't do enough damage to hold aggro on 5 mobs while the mage with 2k SP Blizzard's everything.

Anyway, back on the OP, I love getting advice! :P Even if I don't use it, at least it showed the person gave two ******* I usually PST the healer(Especially when I first reach a level cap/new content) to find out if they're having problems having to heal others because they're pulling aggro, or if I seem a little squishy on certain pulls.

That way I can use my bash effectively and make the DPS CC more/change the kill order

Either way, I think the general consensus is that you have to be careful and no matter what, some people are gonna be retarded about it and see it as you criticizing them.

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