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#1 Feb 01 2009 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Woot!!! Lvl 80!!!
Yes, I realize that it's a bit after many, but for the casual player that I am, it's just awsome to finally be 80.

Now, feel free to check the build. I did skip CoH cause, honestly I just don't use it....

Anyway, I was running a Heroic Halls of Lighting with some of my friends and got to hear for the first time "You are overhealing like crazy"
The first time they said it I was at like 45%. The second half (they reset whatever they were using) it was 17%. Either way it's a mana drain... Well 75% of it (loving my Serendipity) and unlike our Disc Brother and Sisters, I need to watch my mana. I'm thinking that a good range to be in is 2% to 5% overheal (hey, there are just some that you can't predict are going to crit).

This happened while I was side by side with a Disc Priest as I'm running stuff to get Naxx geared taken from the FAQ Gear List link. I'm thinking that some of the reason I was overhealing was I was with another healer. But as I watched more closely I was able to bring it 17% (down from 45%).

I use Healbot, and a stop cast macro for GHeal.

1) Am I wrong in my goal and is it realistic?
2) How can I track my overheal?
3) Tips on how to bring it down without letting my tank below 70%?



#2 Feb 01 2009 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
Realistic? Depends highly on the encounter and the group makeup. You have to remember that some groupmembers have abilities that will give heals on characters while you are casting your own heal. Keeping a target below a certain percentage to get 100% mana to amount healed ratio isn't always a good idea. You'll be throwing HoTs on targets, and unless you ignore them afterwards, quite a few ticks of those will be overhealing.

There's tons of reasons for overhealing a target, and you should never be discouraged by the amount overhealed. This also changes from class to class as well, as different healers have different ways of healing and will thus produce different numbers in different situations. Personally, I set the goal to 10-15% overheal during instances. More if there's trouble and I need to spamheal to make sure a massive burst isn't going to nuke down the tank/group.

But then again, perhaps it is completely possible if you really focus on nothing but the overheals. But remember, that can be dangerous, as you'll have to keep people below 100%.

To track it, use Recount. It's a delightful little damage meter that shows everything. DoT Uptime, Hot Uptime, time spent casting, damage done, damage received, healing done and received, overhealing... It basically shows everything. It's a tiny little WWS report, with pie charts and all kinds of awesome setup options.

How to bring down your overhealing? Just practice healing. Get Recount, and keep an eye on your overhealing while adjusting it slightly. You'll find that you'll get better at judging the healing needed and the encounter's need for spamheals and so on. It just takes practice, is all.
#3 Feb 01 2009 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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usually, if you stay under 30% it's ok.
#4 Feb 02 2009 at 4:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Simskin wrote:
I did skip CoH cause, honestly I just don't use it....


This... I just... you... I... Smiley: disappointed


I don't worry about overheal. At all. There, I said it. I don't even look at the numbers on it (you can use a mod called Recount to track your healing stats).

I worry about whether I'm keeping my targets alive and managing my mana so I'm never standing there unable to cast a needed heal. That's really all I care about.


P.S. Grats on 80!!

Edited, Feb 2nd 2009 7:32am by teacake
#5 Feb 02 2009 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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teacake wrote:
Simskin wrote:
I did skip CoH cause, honestly I just don't use it....


This... I just... you... I...


Teacake speechless?!! Heck with the gratz on 80, gratz on this!
#6 Feb 02 2009 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm thinking that some of the reason I was overhealing was I was with another healer.


That!

It's bad enough sometimes when you're on your own. You're still dealing with like PoM jumping (and thus healing) while you cast a Flash Heal on somebody, or a tank having a lucky series of dodges and parries that reduce his incoming damage to less than you had anticipated. Then there is Renew to top people off even though they don't need the full amount of healing, or for some reason not realizing that somebody has already a Renew on them, resulting in part of a Flash Heal being accounted to your overhealing.

I'd also suggest you ignore percentages and focus on HP deficit instead. There is a major difference between a bear tank sitting at 70% health and say a DK.

If for some reason you're still using the default UI, you should replace that asap with like xperl and set it to "healer mode" to see exactly how much health people are missing.
#7 Feb 02 2009 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
Personally, I recommend Pitbull. Can easily be configured to show incoming direct heals from all party members, while also showing your own incoming heals on all targets. In a raid environment, that's a fairly awesome tool to make sure you don't waste heals on somebody who's already got a Fheal/Healing Wave or something incoming. Or it could just show you that a Flash Heal is better spent than a Gheal to top off whoever's got an incoming heal.

It shows it as a bar overlaid the healthbar of whoever you're healing, showing which percentage he will be at if your heal lands and doesn't crit.
#8 Feb 02 2009 at 6:11 AM Rating: Decent
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x-pear, pitbull. Thanks. Healbot does the same thing without having to add another ui to the mix.
Thanks for all the sugestions peeps!!!

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I worry about whether I'm keeping my targets alive and managing my mana so I'm never standing there unable to cast a needed heal.


I second that!
#9 Feb 02 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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NorthAI the Hand wrote:
Personally, I recommend Pitbull.


I hearts me some Pitbull.
#10 Feb 02 2009 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Another option is to regear yourself. Trade spellpower for int, spirit, stam and mp5. Greater Heal is such a big hammer of healing that you don’t need lots of spellpower. Your overhealing will drop and your mana regen should improve markedly.

Note, however, that your stabilizing heals (Prayer of Mending and Renew) won’t be as effective, so you’ll have to really be on top of your GH’s. Spell haste might help with that. Also, you should probably keep your heavy spellpower gear around to swap in on the fights when you need to do AOE healing.

#11 Feb 02 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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All that needs to be said has been said I think, except for maybe this:

2% to 4% overheal as a holy priest? That's pretty much impossible. In 5-mans such numbers are only achievable if you stop using ProM, Renew and Prayer of Healing. In raids, such numbers will probably only be reached once every so many million fights. The thing is, holy is mostly a AOE healing spec and if you cast spells that heal 5 (or even more) people at a time the chance that one of them is already at 90-100% when your heal goes off is I'd say close to 99%.
#12 Feb 02 2009 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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usually, if you stay under 30% it's ok.


This made me feel better.

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The thing is, holy is mostly a AOE healing spec and if you cast spells that heal 5 (or even more) people at a time the chance that one of them is already at 90-100% when your heal goes off is I'd say close to 99%


This made me feel way better. Logic is something I get.

So 17% as a Holy Priest is actually just bad a@@.

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Another option is to regear yourself. Trade spellpower for int, spirit, stam and mp5. Greater Heal is such a big hammer of healing that you don’t need lots of spellpower. Your overhealing will drop and your mana regen should improve markedly.


This is good info.


Thank you all again. I love the support this fourm kicks out!!

Peace
#13 Feb 03 2009 at 7:00 AM Rating: Decent
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So 17% as a Holy Priest is actually just bad a@@.


I'm on 20% average as disc. While I can make tons of excuses for that, yes, 17% is pretty badass I'd say.
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