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#1 Feb 01 2009 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I started playing the game after BC came out and never really had a chance to get into raids. I did kara a few times then left for work all summer, so I never really got the chance to get in on them very much.

Now though, I've got both a hunter and a pally going through heroics. For my pally, I play him as holy spec, and just love it.

My question is, what stats would you say would be decent for starting raiding? I've met a few nice lads in instances that were impressed enough with my healing that I was offered raiding spots when I get geared up. I just don't want to go in there undergeared and waste everyone's time.
#2 Feb 01 2009 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is taken from the Wiki linked in the Holy Pally sticky by YJMark:

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OK, now, the common question used to be "What stats do I need to go into Kara?". Here is the rough equivalent for Naxx.

To comfortably run Naxx, you want the following un-buffed:

+1500 spell power
25% Holy crit
17k mana
13k health

Now remember, these numbers are just guidelines. You can get by with a little less, but if you obtain these stats, then you will be more beneficial to your raid group


Apart from that I would say how far have you gone in heroics? Can you comfortably heal heroic HoL? Do you struggle in heroic Utgarde Keep?

If you haven't raided before I would suggest getting a few addons that the Holy Pally experts here can tell you more about. Grid and click/que (spelling), Decursive, Pallypower (good for managing pally buffs), Deadly Boss Mods to name a few. I don't use some of them myself just spinning off a few that I have heard the guys here talk about before.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2009 1:58am by arthoriuss
#3 Feb 02 2009 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks. I've read the stickies before, I guess I should have done so again.

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Apart from that I would say how far have you gone in heroics? Can you comfortably heal heroic HoL? Do you struggle in heroic Utgarde Keep?


I'd be more than comfortable healing any of the heroics. UK/Nexus/VH have become so easy I barely need to hit divine plea.

Well, I might as well post my toon and see if anyone has any more suggestions for me.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gnomeregan&n=Stripf%C3%B2rgold
#4 Feb 02 2009 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Looking at your gear...you really should gear up a bit more. Get the titansteel shield and feet. Get to exalted AC and get the ring and helm. if you haven't even run enough heroics to get a single piece of badge gear, your desire to run into naxx may be a bit premature.

You could probably last as a third healer in 10 man naxx, but there is some easy gearing you can do from craftables and rep gear.
#5 Feb 02 2009 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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If you have half an idea what you're doing, that gear is plenty good enough to get in the door. You're a bit light on mana, but unless you're 2-healing it or your group is undergeared/not paying attention/etc. that can be worked around.

As for suggestions:
- I second the recommendation for the AC helmet and ring.
- If you're flush with cash, there's some BoE drops (Wispcloak, Zom's Crackling Bulwark) along with the crafted (Titanium Spellshock jewelry) that are almost BIS.
- I don't rate any Titansteel gear because of lack of Int. In fact, I'd go for one of the 408sp drops (the only one from heroics is the War Mace from H-Nexus).
- The badge Necklace (25), Shield (35), Libram (15) are all tasty. And while your current belt is nice, the 40-badge belt is BIS for 10-man gear.
#6 Feb 02 2009 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
I joined a casual raiding gear and started as 2nd healer when we first did OS and then eventually Naxx. I think I was right about at the 'suggested' guidelines mentioned. After getting pumped up from the runs (these were my first raid experiences) I went out and bought/had made the titanium spell neck/ring. and bought nice gems for slots and grinded up rep for their EQ (gavel from wyrmrest and helm from Crusade etc). My stats starting increasing and I was being invited to more and more things. Our last Naxx run we cleard arachnid and part of plague quarters and I was the luckiest raid member when the majority of the loots were for me, chest/sword/gloves/trinket and they really boosted me up. Before I knew it I had enough emblems to get the shield as well.
It happens fast so stick with it. Do your dailies for rep and doing heroics whenever you can....you'll get there soon enough.
#7 Feb 02 2009 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Lose the mp5 gems, mp5 is a stat that is now inarguably completely useless for paladins in Wotlk. Mp5 is to Paladins as Str is to Hunters. Can't stress this strongly enough its the absolute worst gear/gem choice for a paladin with the exception of spirit.

Which brings me to your legs, get the SP+Stam gem, as a paladin you don't need spirit at all. Also replace helm enchant with Kirin Tor as soon as you replace that helm. Mp5 should be avoided like the plague unless it is a purple vs blue situation while gearing up but even then keep an eye out to replace it as fast as possible with something with crit/haste. Definitely try to replace the Titansteel Mace, Intellect is key for Paladins, still its not bad in terms of stats.

Other than that you are definitely 10 man ready and probably be fine for most 25 man content.
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#8 Feb 02 2009 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Lose the mp5 gems, mp5 is a stat that is now inarguably completely useless for paladins in Wotlk. Mp5 is to Paladins as Str is to Hunters. Can't stress this strongly enough its the absolute worst gear/gem choice for a paladin with the exception of spirit.


Will do. Wondering though, what do you gem for blue sockets? Anything that will work, or just go for 16INT or 19SP?

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Which brings me to your legs, get the SP+Stam gem, as a paladin you don't need spirit at all.


Easy enough.

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Also replace helm enchant with Kirin Tor as soon as you replace that helm.
Might be difficult. Just passed friendly.

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Definitely try to replace the Titansteel Mace, Intellect is key for Paladins, still its not bad in terms of stats.


I'm really unsure on what type of conversion INT and SP have, so I'm having troubles with this one. I'll take a look through atlas loot and see if I can find any nice epic ones.
#9 Feb 03 2009 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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baveux wrote:
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Lose the mp5 gems, mp5 is a stat that is now inarguably completely useless for paladins in Wotlk. Mp5 is to Paladins as Str is to Hunters. Can't stress this strongly enough its the absolute worst gear/gem choice for a paladin with the exception of spirit.

Will do. Wondering though, what do you gem for blue sockets? Anything that will work, or just go for 16INT or 19SP?

Sorry about the double-quote but I wanted to touch on both of these without starting a separate subthread about Bodhi's answer, which I am almost completely in agreement with...

- Mp5 is suboptimal in LK for paladins - its usefulness basically declines starting at 71, then more sharply with heroic gear, then as Bodhi says becomes severely meh when you and your raid are 25-man geared (and have the threshold int/mana/crit to support "endless" mana). It still works, and in fights over five minutes (even with Replenishment) regens more mana per point than Int - so if you're pushing Patchwerk's enrage timer, it's still useful to you. Don't reject gear just because it has mp5, value it appopriately - which means never gem or enchant for it, and realize that gear that has too much of it is suboptimal because mp5 costs too much itemization. But it's not useless like spirit is useless - spirit provides no benefit at all, while mp5 just costs too much and can soon enough be replaced by Int which will serve you better.

- I usually ignore blue socket bonuses, as they are mostly trivial amounts of a secondary stat (i.e. +2 mp5). For my meta activation, I use green +int/+mp5, although purple +sp/+mp5 would work as well.

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Definitely try to replace the Titansteel Mace, Intellect is key for Paladins, still its not bad in terms of stats.


I'm really unsure on what type of conversion INT and SP have, so I'm having troubles with this one. I'll take a look through atlas loot and see if I can find any nice epic ones.

- Gearing up for Naxx? IMO, the choice is the admittedly mp5-heavy War Mace of Unrequited Love. Despite the nerf, the Titansteel Guardian still has enough raw spellpower to "outweigh" the rest of the competition. Grieving Spellblade drops early in Naxx (theoretically - I have yet to see it) and is better balanced, and no mp5 at all, but slightly less Int.

- For stat comparisons:
-- In my experience a set of fixed weights (my leveling rule of thumb: 3 int = 4 mp5 = 6 sp = 9 haste = 9 crit) works fine for gearing up, since you're replacing gear so quickly and can't really benefit from the synergies at high stat levels anyway.
-- If you're serious, get a tool like "rawr". Not that it will give you significantly "better" stat weightings, but that it will help you understand the therorycrafting and what considerations affect how effective certain pieces of gear are relative to others. What it can also help with is to point out the achievable gear choices that provide the best upgrade path given your current gear, the type of fights (heroics aren't the same as Anub/Faerlina aren't the same as Patchwerk/Noth, etc), and your raid composition (run with a shadow priest/ret pally/survival hunter? makes a big difference...). So you know what heroics to run or what factions to cuddle up to first.
#10 Feb 04 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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Good advice from people who know more than I about holy gearing :)

Tangentially, I like mp5 on my healing gear. But thats mostly because I use it 90% of the time for ret-specced heal-tanking of the 4 horsemen.
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