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I've always read WP/WP for leveling. Granted, most of the current leveling specs are for mutilate. Also, I remember reading that for combat raiding you replace IP for WP. /shrug

FYI
The Poison FAQ is not out of date. You just have to read all of the posts. RPzip hasn't posted on the forums in awhile and that is why the part he wrote is out of date. Others are keeping it current with their posts though.

What are the best glyphs for combat PVE?

I currently have Glyph of Sinister Strike, Glyph of Rupture and Glyph of Slice and Dice.

Would it be better for my DPS if i used Glyph of Adrenaline Rush or perhaps even Glyph of Blade Flurry?

See Eon, here I am giving valid information and someone new tries to come in and laugh at me and call me a liar. It is hard not to flame when your helping people, but they call you a liar.

Anyways, thanks for the clarification.

If you are combat you typical use SnD. If your mutilate normally you kill the mob too quick with just your basic CS>mutilate>KS>Evis/Envenom rotations. It is completely situational, but I personally never used it as mutilate to level solo.

Edited, Feb 13th 2009 8:04pm by Feyras

Does it improve 50% on the 20% or a total of 70%? If it's 70% then it's simple substitution :)

Usually talents like this tend to stack additively (like Malice increasing your crit chance by 5% directly instead of 5% of what you have), so it simply increases your chance to apply IP from 20% to 30% (And DP from 30% to 40%), effectively increasing the damage done by IP by 50%, while not affecting WP at all.


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A more interesting question is what is the break point in AP between the 2 poisons.
Let's assume attack power is AP.

Without Improved Poisons:

Instant Poison IX: 300-400 base damage + (0.1 x AP ), 20% chance to apply

(350 + (0.1 x AP))x0.2 = 70 + 0.02xAP .

Wound poison: 231 base damage + (.04 x AP), 50% chance to apply

(231 + (0.04 x AP))x0.5 = 115.5 + 0.02xAP .


This basically means that whatever numbers you are running with, WP damage will always be greater than IP by 45.5 damage per swing.

Let's consider the other case, having Improved Poisons:

Instant Poison IX: 300-400 base damage + (0.1 x AP ), 30% chance to apply

(350 + (0.1 x AP))x0.3 = 105 + 0.03xAP .

Wound poison: 231 base damage + (.04 x AP), 50% chance to apply

(231 + (0.04 x AP))x0.5 = 115.5 + 0.02xAP .

At 1050 WP=IP.
Over that IP is better, below that WP is better. Meaning IP is better at trivial amount of AP at level 80 assuming you have Improved Poisons.


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All these calculations are ignoring all need for the target to be poisoned (for Mutilate, Master Poisoner or Deadly Combat). Also it ignored the usefulness of DP.

Have a nice day,
Yuval.


Edit: Made it tad easier to read, hope it worked.

Edited, Feb 14th 2009 11:08am by YuvalR

Sons of Hodir should be one of the key factions to work on. All you can do for them is daily quest to up your rep and by turning in relics of Ulduar. They will give you the enchant for your shoulders. As for which tabard you should wear for rep. It all depends on which one would be the biggest upgrade. These boots are from the Argent Crusade exalted and are some of the better ones in the game. They have a decent amount of hit on them, and it seems there isn't that much hit gear for us these days.



I'm pretty sure it can be overwritten if you apply another one to it. I'm assuming you mean the exalted aldor/scryer one for now and replace it with the Sons of Hodir exalted one when you can. It wouldn't make sense if you couldn't.



No, it doesn't right now. CC is a lost art in WoTLK compared to TBC. Everyone just AOE's everything down. Spamming FoK is the only thing you can really do to compete on trash. I personally put Trick of the Trade on the tank and target his target. I then get a 2 point SnD up and then spam FoK on the trash and just do white damage to the one mob. It helps a little bit.

Good Luck on gearing your rogue.

once i got given a cookie :D

we've all had lucky runs. As my guilds Rl every now and then i set up the 25man raid with only 1 rogue, Me!
I make my own luck!




Edited, Feb 18th 2009 9:39am by pythonesc

While we're on the subject, you ought to see the drops my guild gets. I joined them about 4 weeks ago and have joined every raid since then, which equals 8 full Naxx clears and 4 Sartharion kills. Spread out over all those runs I've seen 1 Paladin/Priest/Warlock token (in a 10-man raid with 4 paladins, 1 priest and 2 warlocks) and 1 Warrior/Hunter/Shaman token. ALL other tokens have been Rogue/Death Knight/Mage/Druid tokens. We actually have a mainspec tanking druid in our guild who now has a nearly full resto AND nearly full boomkin off-spec tier set =/. To make it even funnier, we didn't have any mages until one week ago and we still only have one single DK.

Edited, Feb 18th 2009 7:36pm by Mozared

Depends on what you call luck, I raid with my priest -.-

As for the change and on-topicness; I can't say I noticed a bug involving not working talents. Then again, I don't think I've done any fighting on my rogue at all since the latest patch. On one side I'm itchy to say that a talent was probably bugged and that Mutilate dealt less damage than it was supposed to, but on the other hand... when Blizzard nerfs something they always word it like this in note: "should now do its appropriate damage". If the damage had been highered that note would've said something along the lines of "should now deal more damage".

Or in other words; I don't know whether this is a nerf or a bug. You might want to check EJ on it, if anybody noticed talents not working correctly it's the people there.

That is one reason why they made the change. They are trying to scale down burst teams in arena to make it more competitive for healer/dps teams.

From what I have read most people don't have HfB in arena anyways. Unless they are casual and doing it for the points. They should be getting mutilate and then going into sub to get Prep.

Hey there,

I'd like to ask a question regarding mace specialization criteria. Quite honestly, I'm tempted to try this out, but due to the high cost of Titansteel bonecrusher, I'd like to see other people's opinion about it.

Would a combat rogue with mace specialization combined with serrated blades (and also possibly hemo) and armor penetration gems be a viable build to dish out damage for PvE raiding? (Hit rating and expertise capped of course)