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Best idea since sliced bread, Eon. Lets see if we can turn this into something helpful.

Yes and no...if you are just solo questing, it's not going to 'hurt' you, it's just going to make taking mobs down take a little longer. There are some fairly cheap EC's (icewalker to boots), and +40 hit food that is available, if your cooking is up. There are also trinkets with +hit (even romulos from kara, which I embarassingly still have). Hit rating isn't as important for mutilate as combat, but it makes life easier for solo questing.

This is a nice idea. I've just started playing again and hit 80 today, so I returned here to my old home to find some answers.

Firstly, whats the glyph situation like for running muti in dungeons? It seems that muti is lacking any real glyph support.

Also, is there any news on a Theo-UI update?



It is a good idea to try to maintain around 5% hit (either from the talent precision or from gear) since this will stop you from missing your yellow attacks against a mob the same level as you. +Hit also helps with muti since the ease of leveling with it depends on how quickly your poisons proc in each fight. If you Cheapshot and miss 4 times in a row, thats 6 seconds of overkill wasted. It also helps reduce all those times when killing the mob or stunning it would have been the difference between you eating/bandaging and having to do a corpse run. Whilst it isn't neccessary, i would reccomend a quick talent change to something like this.

With overkill and dirty deeds cheapshot is a 30 energy move. Mutilate is 50, eviscerate is 25 (and with relentless its free), and you have enough energy for another mutilate > eviscerate. Most mobs will die from that in under 6-8 seconds. Camouflage allows you to restealth quickly and move on to the next mob without losing remorseless.

Thanks for the answers. Very helpful.

Blizzard states that they want haste to become a viable stat, but they acknowledge that it's not quite "there" yet. Expect it to be tweaked somewhat in upcoming patches.

Having a crit rating of 21% has never been too shabby for a freshly level-capped rogue. As far as hit rating goes - you can expect it to drop somewhat while gearing up in heroics. It will climb back up after you begin doing raids. Also, if you raid with a Boomkin or Shadow Priest, you only really want to focus on getting 217 hit (+20 from buff food). 217 should be easily doable.

As for upgrades - buy two Librarian Paper Cutters off the auction house. They're the best mutilate daggers in the game outside of Naxx25. You can also go buy Ice Striker's Cloak, Trollwoven Spaulders, and a Trollwoven Girdle off of a Leatherworker. You can buy a good neck piece off of a Jewelcrafter - Titanium Impact Choker. That should be a good start.

You can judge its value using this scale:
Mutilate Weights
Attack Power = 1
Strength = 1.1
Agility = 2.0
Crit = 1.6
Expertise = 2.0
Haste = 1.6
Armor Penetration = 1.1
Main Hand DPS = 4.1
Offhand DPS = 3.1

Hit is worth about 2.9 below the yellow hit cap, 2.2 below the poison hit cap, and 1.4 above both caps.
For weapon speeds, each .1 increase in MH speed is around 35 EP and each .1 increase of OH speed
is around 75 EP.

So, Expertise is as good as Agility up to a certain point, though not as abundant. The short answer is "Sure."

Again though, one shouldn't be too concerned about stats while leveling. Experience per hour is much more important (in my humble opinion :D).

Assume that someone who is leveling will occasionally run an instance, and would prefer to choose appropriate rewards as starter gear for the day they hit the level cap.
Your point is valid but please don't turn this thread into a "gotchya" game.

For starters, which spec? Holy can be a big pain even if they don't bubble since Retribution aura basically makes you kill yourself (And you can't DOT+'kite' them to death as was normally the case with warriors).

Generally against pallies your best bet it to force the bubble as soon as possible through stunlocking, blind, the occasional gouge, and a lot of damage. Once they bubble pop your vanish and wait for it to pass, then start all over again. When dealing with ret pallies try your best to avoid damage with evasion and dismantle (not at the same time, of course).

Also, when dealing with ret pallies save your trinket for the hammer of judgement, don't waste it on retribution. (This may or may not apply, if you manage to CoS just before they throw their hammer, but that takes a bit of skill and/or luck.)

Edited, Feb 4th 2009 11:26am by Jonofthedead

No, that isn't what he saying. He is saying use those methods to cause the bubble and then vanish and wait out the bubble.

I usually don't have problems with them as much as mages. Anyone have on thoughts on a pyro mages? Fight usually goes like this:

Garrote (for silence) - Muti - CS - BLINK - Freeze - 8k pyro followed by two 4k somethingorothers = me dead.

I see people talking about DPS in some scale of 1500, 2000. How are you folks measuring DPS? In a 45 min WSG I got Damage Control achievement (I finally figured out how to take advantage of CS duration).

Umm...what? DPS is only measured in PvE, not PvP.