Lock and Load Bug?Follow

I've taken a gander at EJ (Well, really only the last couple pages of the Survival Hunter Thread. It's quite long, and not fully relevant all the time.) and I haven't found any mention of this bug/thing.

Anyways, I was noticing that just relying on Serpent Sting in a raid to proc LnL seemed to not proc as "often" as it should. Seeing as how a non-glyphed Serpent Sting should (in theory) proc LnL once every 30 seconds, in a five minute fight you *should* end up with 8-10 procs. However, I've noticed the number being more 4-6.

This was all anecdotal, until I finally took the time to test it today. I've only one WWS report, but the issues seem clear: (I'll be doing further testing on this later, IE: getting more WWS reports) Serpent Sting does not seem to have a 10% proc rate for LnL.

http://wowwebstats.com/v2ia2narg26v1?a=Gxb05d6c#abilities

Methods: I stood at a Heroic Test Dummy, in full PvE gear (hit capped) and did nothing but autoshot (To keep me in combat) and re-apply Serpent Sting as needed. All of this was recorded via WWS. I *did* have the Glyph of Serpent Sting on and did NOT have Imp Serpent Sting.

At the end, I had a 12 minute, 30 second parse. Assuming one proc per 30 seconds, that should've come out to roughly 25 procs. Taking into account errors in timing/whatever, At the very least I should've come out with 20.

I had 234 ticks of Serpent Sting, which should have averaged out to around 23.4 procs of LnL (Assuming the 10% tooltip is correct). In actuality, I had 13 procs of LnL.

So what does this mean? It could mean one of many things. First off, there is an issue with the Glyph of Serpent Sting. For example, the Glyph of Serpent Sting adds 40% more Serpent Sting *ticks.* IE: Without the Serpent Sting it ticks 5 times, with it ticks 7. If I subtract 40% of 234, I get around 140. 10% of that is 14, which is a lot closer to the numbers I got.

Another explanation could be that Serpent Sting does NOT have a 10% proc rate on LnL. If we were to go by the old proc rate of Serpent Sting (6%) we would average out 14 procs also.

These two factors are exclusive (IE: It cannot be both at the same time).

Anyone please feel free to correct my math.

When you take all this into account, it just means that Trap Dancing is still THE most effective method of DPS. (Especially that there's a bug with the Frost Trap)

If LnL procs off a Serpent Sting, you can use the charges and then run up and drop a Frost Trap. It'll set off LnL again.

Oh.

Well that makes much more sense.

I, um, probably should've looked at that a little bit better ^_^;

I would think that since a boss simply resists a freezing trap, it wouldn't proc LnL.

However if you mix the two.... Lets taking Nax as an example. Most bosses have adds druing the fights, most of them you are able to CC with freezing trap, useing the LnL proc on the boss.

Anub'Rekhan
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Four Horsemen
Gluth
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Gothik the Harvester
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Grand Widow Faerlina
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Grobbulus
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Heigan the Unclean
Instructor Razuvious
Kel'Thuzad
*Adds effected by freezing trap (and also a mind controlled raid member)
Loatheb
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Maexxna
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Noth the Plaguebringer
*Adds effected by freezing trap
Patchwerk
Sapphiron
Thaddius

That said, alot of these adds you can use other traps alot more effectively with out much moving, or just by positioning yourself where the adds are tanked or spawn, before the fight.

This is incorrect. The internal CD is 30 seconds. At that point you have a 10% chance ever 3 seconds to proc LnL. It ends up being an average of 45 seconds apart.
12 minutes and 30 seconds, divided by 45 is 14 procs. So you were right where you should be. Remember the 10% is only after the CD is up.

So everything is operating as intended. Trap dancing can be a dps increase, especially seeing as frost doesn't share the CD with serpent procs. In my experience it's almost never worth going out of your way to do. /shrug

Edited, Feb 20th 2009 1:25am by Xsarus

You're imagining things.

Run a WWS.