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#27 Jan 29 2009 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Meh, I could have came in here and said read the tooltip you friggin moron, but didn't. I also could have took more of the Theo/Mental approach(no disrespect to either of them), but instead I linked the tooltip with how I would have thought about it myself. I have personally been flamed by Mental, but I don't think it was because I said something utterly stupid. It was just because that is what Mental does and that is why I like him.

Now, I do agree that I am an @sshole sometimes. Ignorance is one of those times that it shows, but the difference between people like me and a few others is that we say what you think. Some people are too worried about getting their rate ups they censor themselves. Not me. I would rather be me and stuck at scholar than be fake and a guru.

I'm not saying anyone in this post is like this at all. I'm just saying that SOME people are



Edited, Jan 29th 2009 2:28pm by Feyras
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#28 Jan 29 2009 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Rate up for the honesty - but you neglect to acknowledge that there are some who genuinely don't care if a question is silly or dumb. Some just shrug and try to be helpful. That may be the real difference between scholar and guru. Or whatever.

In my humble opinion, the real topic of this thread should be about your dressing in ladies undergarments while dancing in front of a mirror.
#29 Jan 29 2009 at 11:29 AM Rating: Default
I agree with you EON. People should be helpful in general especially if all they have to do to achieve that is type in 'yes'.
#30 Jan 29 2009 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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F*uck all of you for dropping my IQ after reading this..
#31 Jan 29 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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VorpalRuin wrote:
Quoted I agree with you EON. People should be helpful in general especially if all they have to do to achieve that is type in 'yes'.
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You are new to the forums. It gets old seeing people come in and ask either a) The same questions over and over again, or b) Questions that can be figured out on your own via research or just taking the time to think about it.

IF you decide to hang around you will see what I am talking about.
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#32 Jan 29 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
I understand that it gets old. These are not my first forums. Don't you think that just ignoring it then would be the best option? Someone else will eventually answer them.

Anyway, the best way to learn is to ask questions.
#33 Jan 29 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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VorpalRuin wrote:
Thank you Nikkelmand.

Who is showing their true colors now MentalFrog? You must be a windowlicker too because you don't know how Distract works. /sarcasm


I know it good enough to use it on you. Now you're trying to flame me instead of Feyras, who was in combat at the time.

For my next demonstration I'll show how to properly blind. If I can just find my *****.
#34 Jan 29 2009 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
I believe that Feyras and I are out of combat now. I think i'll just stay stealthed so you never get to blind me.
#35 Jan 29 2009 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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VorpalRuin wrote:
I believe that Feyras and I are out of combat now. I think i'll just stay stealthed so you never get to blind me.


Ah good old stealth. Many memories of many locker rooms. But it's not going to stop you from peeking at my flacid poker.
#36 Jan 29 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
This is one of those threads you wished you never clicked on.


My hindsight is 20/20.
#37 Jan 29 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is one of those threads you wished you never clicked on.

QFT

Although I did giggle here and there. =P
#38 Jan 29 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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First and foremost, Feyras was justified in telling the OP that he should read the tooltip. It's obvious that it applies to all damage.

The tooltip would say "increases damage done by off hand auto attacks by 50%" were it only applicable to white damage. See Necrosis.

Second, Mental was right; you can use Distract while YOU are in combat. Try to read what people are saying before you correct them, guys.

Third, the OP overreacted. This is what happens when you ask an obvious question that's been bludgeoned to death on these and other forums.

There's also this little thing called wowhead that has comments posted on mechanics for talents.

In fact, your question is answered definitively and specifically in the comments for DWS.

Grats, this thread is stupid, the OP is stupid, and I'm regretting actually coming back to this forum.
#39REDACTED, Posted: Jan 29 2009 at 7:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow, you were helpful. Thanks for stopping by.
#40 Jan 29 2009 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
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If we're going to play bossy know-it-alls in fubar threads anyway...

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First and foremost, Feyras was justified in telling the OP that he should read the tooltip. It's obvious that it applies to all damage.


Things do not become obvious until you see the logic behind them. Therefore 'obvious' is a term of which it's meaning depends strongly on the speakers' experience on the subject. Simply said; call him a noob if you want to, but what might be obvious to you might not be as obvious to someone else. The OP in fact more or less stated a short version that entire thought in his first post by apologizing in advance to the people to whom the answer might seem obvious.

That said, a number of things about the OP can be said. Perhaps he doesn't have much experience with the game. Perhaps one could call him smart seeing as he's realized that his question is probably easily answered by the people he's directing it at (which is generally a smart move as you don't want your questions answered by people who don't know anything on the subject itself). Regardless, I do not think you are in a position to declare what was justified and what wasn't. Ironically enough, neither am I even though I just did so.

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Second, Mental was right; you can use Distract while YOU are in combat. Try to read what people are saying before you correct them, guys.


The quote he cited said explicitly that the 'argument' was about the target being in combat. There is no black or white answer here since Mental (purposefully, knowing him) seeded confusion; it's not exactly strange to assume Mental meant to say "You can use Distract on a target that is in combat" since his reply was kind of off-topic if taken otherwise. See above.

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Third, the OP overreacted. This is what happens when you ask an obvious question that's been bludgeoned to death on these and other forums.


I have to agree with this. Fey might've been a jack, but at least he didn't directly insult the OP.

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There's also this little thing called wowhead that has comments posted on mechanics for talents.

In fact, your question is answered definitively and specifically in the comments for DWS.


A little research isn't a bad thing, but I'd say (note the I'd say, I'm judging here) a somewhat detailed question like this isn't completely out of place on the class forums of a game's fansite. After all, if it's so easy to answer the question, then why is it so hard for somebody to step in and simply do so here?

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Grats, this thread is stupid, the OP is stupid,


I concur. It could well fall under the state of being called 'FAIL'.

And now, because I can;
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Of course the "ever so great Mozared" had to come in here and take up for you because he knows what it is like to post stupid questions.


Don't you think it's funny that it generally takes multiple explanation posts from my side before people actually understand what my 'stupid' question is? Do you generally spend heaps of time to understand stupid things, then? I'm not sure why you felt like taking a stab at me here (wait, I do, "Now, I do agree that I am an @sshole sometimes"), but I pride myself on being able to show a little empathy from time to time. I do think many will agree with me that this wasn't a completely retorded question, especially not in the way it was asked. Another ironic line incoming: If you ask me, people like you should learn to set their mileages to a more flexible standard so they stop wasting time insulting those who don't deserve it.


This is the point where I usually get downrated, ignored, or downrated and ignored, but I've one more 'estimation' as to how this thread will continue to make before we proceed;
"Now that everybody's aboard the failboat, the matches karma camping start at 3 'o clock. Get your tickets and make sure not to miss them - participants are kindly requested to keep their litter with them to keep the playing grounds clean."
#41REDACTED, Posted: Jan 29 2009 at 8:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree with you Mozared. Except the part where i'm supposedly stupid for not being exactly sure on one talent, and therfore asking a question to clarify it. The stupid thing would have been to just remain ignorant of it.
#42 Jan 29 2009 at 10:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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VorpalRuin wrote:
I agree with you Mozared. Except the part where i'm supposedly stupid for not being exactly sure on one talent, and therfore asking a question to clarify it. The stupid thing would have been to just remain ignorant of it.

The stupid thing would have been asking a question, getting your answer, and then telling the poster to kill himself.

It's one thing to be insulting, call someone a window-licking ******, ask them to go find their hockey helmet because they're in danger of a concussion, etc.

It's completely another to tell someone to kill themselves.
#43REDACTED, Posted: Jan 30 2009 at 5:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, if i get insulted from now on, i'll just take it and not comment negativly back.
#44 Jan 30 2009 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
It's one thing to be insulting, call someone a window-licking ******, ask them to go find their hockey helmet because they're in danger of a concussion, etc.

It's completely another to tell someone to kill themselves.

Because, like, you know, they might actually do it. Srz bzns.
#45 Jan 30 2009 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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VorpalRuin wrote:
Again, thank you for your divine insight.

You're welcome, mortal.
#46 Jan 31 2009 at 6:54 AM Rating: Decent
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**** this thread.
#47 Jan 31 2009 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Bashing this thread is trendier than Paper Jeans
#48 Jan 31 2009 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
Theophany wrote:
The stupid thing would have been asking a question, getting your answer, and then telling the poster to kill himself.

It's one thing to be insulting, call someone a window-licking ******, ask them to go find their hockey helmet because they're in danger of a concussion, etc.

It's completely another to tell someone to kill themselves.


What can I say, I like to go above and beyond the call of duty. "Kill yourself" is brilliant - it is concise, blunt and effective.

P.S. This thread is a load of Jabberwocky.
#49 Feb 05 2009 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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What i'm wondering about Dual Wield is, if your offhand weapon is effectively 50% effective on *everything*

Hit, crit, attack, damage. So, say you had a 25% crit, would that make your offhand weapon 12.5% crit, if you didn't have DW talented?

I've been having a hard time deciding between Deadliness and DW for my PVP spec, since attack helps evis, main hand damage, and bleed effects.

50% of 50% is only 25%, so you're only getting 75% effectiveness on an offhand weapon. Not really sure which to pick :\
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#50 Feb 05 2009 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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What you're asking about is critical strike chance which is obviously not effected by the talent in question. And yes, all damage done by your off-hand is effected by Dual Wield, but note that not all abilities use the off-hand in their calculations (Evis springs to mind).

Dual Wield is generally considered a primary foundation talent for just about any spec, for any rogue, on any realm, for any reason. I cannot think of any reason off the top of my head where I wouldn't take it.

Zaf, I suggest you study up on rogue mechanics basics for more info.

Cheers! =)

Edited, Feb 5th 2009 3:54pm by TherionSaysWhat
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