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#27 Jan 30 2009 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sweathog wrote:
1. SV is great DPS and fun! Not so fundamentally different then BM really, except you have to push more than one button.


Anyone who plays BM by pushing only one button fails, especially post-patch when it is vital to keep Serpent Sting up and fire Arcane every time it comes off cooldown. Pet micromanagement also plays a role, which as MM or SV isn't so important. Sure, there are some tards who play by leaving the pet on Defensive and autoshotting everything--but I suspect that you get the same thing with SV and MM as well, except with more whining because they changed specs but aren't seeing a DPS increase.

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2. SV/MM are significantly better dps for many raid bosses, the myriad of higher power instants make this fact.


I don't really have time right now to explain why "the myriad of higher power instants" do not in fact "make this fact"--I promise I'll come back to it later. For now, bear in mind that it's harder to trap dance (for maximum Survival DPS) on a highly mobile boss or in fights that have a lot of movement to them, which is where instant shots really shine. The fact that the shots are instant doesn't have as much to do with it as you might think.

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3. I might be an elitist for wanting to do as much dps as possible, hell I don't know. But is it not equally so to not try another spec, which others are telling you are better? I am BM hear me roar! Why should I have to respec? QQQQQQQQQQ


I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I *think* you're trying to say that BM hunters are elitist for staying that way--maybe you can explain to me how that is supposed to make sense? When I know that I can play BM better than I can any other spec, and my raids regularly include a survival and a marksman hunter, there is nothing elitist about bringing both the spec that I am best suited to and providing a buff that generally would not otherwise be provided.

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4. BM going to get buff yay! Nerf only competetive spec so I can feel better about running with <insert vanity pet here>


Buff =/= nerf. Now, it has been said that SV damage will be getting toned down. If you haven't seen that coming since they buffed Explosive Shot back up to crazy numbers, you're an idiot. When SV is doing as much DPS as BM did pre-nerf, and it has been stated that BM was doing too much damage at that point, what do you expect to have happen?

And TBH, I don't care what they do to the other specs, so long as the dps is made to be fairly even between them. That's more your problem than that of any BM hunter here. Don't try to dump your issues on me.

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See what I am getting at. If you don't care about DPS enough to run the DPS spec STFU about the nerf. Is this elitist?


No, I'm pretty sure that to have a real shot at being an elitist (in the way the term is used on this message board) you have to actually have some basic intelligence and do research into your class (including knowing how to play the other specs even if you choose not to), rather than just following the crowd and claiming that doing so make you better. In fact, rather than elitism, you seem to be showing symptoms of ten-year-oldism, in which the sufferer is generally loud, obnoxious, and thinks he knows better than everyone else despite completely failing to make a valid point. You lose your right to be considered an elitist here the first time you make a post including the, er, phrase, "QQQQQQQQQQ".

Don't worry, I'm sure you could still earn acclaim on the o-boards for your witty humor and clever way with words.
#28 Jan 30 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
Hmm....am I elitist? I'm confused.

If I am elitist then I'll work on being a jerk so I can be an elitist jerk!

...hey we all gotta have goals :D
#29 Jan 30 2009 at 1:27 PM Rating: Default
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Don't worry, I'm sure you could still earn acclaim on the o-boards for your witty humor and clever way with words.


Check O boards for any posts from me, you will find none. I could care less about this, rate down at will forum fangirl/boys.

YOU on the other hand appear to.

BACK TO TOPIC

You only know how to play BM and you refute my logic on the specs? You are obviously a new hunter based on a lot of your posts. (I can dig them up if you like) I can, I am pretty sure, remember the first time you graced this board. I read more than post, you should try this.

I have played BM throughout most of BC, when the diehard MM specs wouldn't let go. Same old song and dance.

Steady shot makes up how much of your current BM DPS? Have you looked? Does it hit harder than Exp/Chimera/Aimed? Can you shoot it while you move or just before or after moving? Learn some damn mechanics. This is not wit, it is fact.

Hunter shot rotations are not complex, peroid. I admit to taking a little while to get used to SV rotation after over 1 year of pushing the same button. But that is me, not a complex rotation.

How many times to I have to say pet management is the same for all 3 specs, you do it or you don't. It might even be said BM pets are a little easier to keep alive. I for one will never sacrifice the DPS my pet brings for lack of effort.

Explosive shot is doing good damage, not insane numbers in comparison to most DPS classes played with equal gear/skill. There is another quote from GC which I put in the forum, all classes nerfs incoming. Thanks for calling me an idiot though and pointing out how little I know about huntard, guess your not above witty commentary yourself. I did not make personal attacks, just pointed out that crying (as you don't care for the QQ) about a DPS nerf while refusing to maximize DPS is pointless.




#30 Jan 30 2009 at 5:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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2. SV/MM are significantly better dps for many raid bosses, the myriad of higher power instants make this fact.


Getting back to this: The strength of MM and SV is not in the fact that they have more instant shots, it is in the fact that they have more shots, period.

Current BM rotation is Arcane, Serpent Sting, Steady. I suppose we could toss in a Multi, assuming that mana is not an issue, or, if we were being really bold with our talent points, an Aimed. That's one or possibly two instants.

SV uses Explosive, Multi or Aimed if specced for it, Serpent Sting, Steady Shot. That's one to two instants, the same amount as BM uses.

MM, on the other hand, does have quite a few instants. Serpent Sting is still a basic, and Steady makes a nice filler, but they add in Chimera Shot, Aimed Shot, and Arcane shot to the mix: 3 instants.

The tricky bit is that while Serpent Sting and Steady Shot are bread and butter for all specs, SV and MM have more fillings in their sandwich, as it were. While BM hunters try to get the most it can out of Arcane, they never get an extra talented shot (unless they spec into Marks). So, at most, they can use Steady, a Sting (generally Serpent), Arcane, and Multi. Survival replaces Arcane with Explosive, adds extra bonuses to the other basic rotation abilities (Survival Instincts, Noxious Stings), and has excellent mana regeneration talents that make adding Aimed or Multi to the mix practical and desirable. Marks keeps Arcane Shot, replaces Multi with Aimed, and adds a whole new shot to the mix with Chimera Shot.

It's not the number of high-powered instants, it's the variety of shots. With Steady Shot's decreased damage, it's desirable to substitute any other shot into the rotation instead--it's a good filler, but not much more than that. MM and SV have a lot more options in that area, and of course an MM or SV hunter is going to be able to put out a lot more personal damage than a BM hunter (though at the cost of pet damage as points are not spent to increase that area; likewise, it is meant to be in pet damage that BM makes up for lack of personal damage talents).

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You only know how to play BM and you refute my logic on the specs? You are obviously a new hunter based on a lot of your posts. (I can dig them up if you like) I can, I am pretty sure, remember the first time you graced this board. I read more than post, you should try this.


I know how to play MM and SV, in theory, and I have attempted to do so with rather mixed results. I was certainly pushing out good DPS, but I did not enjoy the style at all--Marks was fun up to a point, but the varied durations of the Stings irritated me when I used anything other than Serpent Sting with Chimera Shot, despite the added utility. Survival seemed to require a very reactive playstyle, which I am not fond of, and the trap-dancing mechanic is clunky and awkward though it yields impressive results. So, I continue to play as BM, doing the best I can to maximize my DPS with what I have, knowing that once the Hunter specs are back inline, I will be doing much better than I did before. Why does this bother you so much?

Meanwhile you, with your claim that BM is a one-button spec, show your rather embarrassing ignorance of current BM shot rotations.
#31 Jan 30 2009 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
I wonder how many of the children of people who work at Blizz/on WoW freaked out, told them they would no longer play their game (thus spend money on something other then WoW.like drugs), and would no longer love them, that they decided to admit they nerfed BM and plan on buffing it up again.

The blue post made me smile. Why? I'm glad I didn't rush and respec again. I decided to see how badly my Spec would be. I found out it wasn't that bad and I could still Volley Kill w/ my Gorilla, I just might ahve to cast it 1 or 2 more times.
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#32 Jan 30 2009 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Sandinmygum wrote:
I wonder how many of the children of people who work at Blizz/on WoW freaked out, told them they would no longer play their game (thus spend money on something other then WoW.like drugs), and would no longer love them, that they decided to admit they nerfed BM and plan on buffing it up again.


I honestly think that BRK going SV had the biggest impact. He's like Oprah for the WoW Hunter community, at least the BM portion of it.

Good thing he doesn't have a book club...

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The blue post made me smile. Why? I'm glad I didn't rush and respec again. I decided to see how badly my Spec would be. I found out it wasn't that bad and I could still Volley Kill w/ my Gorilla, I just might ahve to cast it 1 or 2 more times.


You're lucky you don't play on my server--you play a troll and you stayed BM? I would be sneaking into Orgrimmar to ninja-glomp you. Smiley: grin
#33 Jan 31 2009 at 2:50 AM Rating: Default
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http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&n=Izsera

Is this you? LOL.

edited to add: gratz on being an anvil around your raids neck as they drag you through content.

Edited, Jan 31st 2009 10:05am by Sweathog
#34 Jan 31 2009 at 8:59 PM Rating: Excellent
I guess you could say I stayed BM.

I stayed my goofy 44/27/00. But I'm still lvling (3 lvls to go) at 80 I may respec.
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#35 Feb 02 2009 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sweathog wrote:
http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&n=Izsera

Is this you? LOL.

edited to add: gratz on being an anvil around your raids neck as they drag you through content.

Edited, Jan 31st 2009 10:05am by Sweathog


I don't get the joke. The link posted looks like someone who has just started Naxx10 after successfully doing heroics for a while. Looking at the achievements it looks like they have had no luck with drops yet but are progressing, 2 wings in 1 night is fine. The spec is an accepted BM one, the player is hit capped and using OK enchants, pretty much the ones I would expect to see on Heroic blues.
Personally I would change the Meta gem and look at the int one on the belt, but they are just niggles.

It would seem to me that Sweathog has lost the ball and is, unsuccessfully, trying to play the man. Terribly bad form.
#36 Feb 10 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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It does not look like that its gonna be anytime soon at the rate they are going... today kindred spirit and serpent swiftness are taking hit from the nerf bat.

Edited, Feb 10th 2009 12:25pm by slasherwolf
#37 Feb 10 2009 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
Eh?

From MMO-Champion's notes:

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* Kindred Spirits (Beast Mastery): This talent now grants 20% pet damage at max rank.
* Serpent’s Swiftness (Beast Mastery): This talent now grants 20% pet attack speed at max rank.


Kindred Spirits only goes to 15% and Serpent's Swiftness only to 10% according to wowhead's calculator. This is in every way a buff to both of those abilities.
#38 Feb 10 2009 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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i need to learn to read i :(... I got it confused with the pet skills which are not that big of a deal thanks and sorry norellicus.
#39 Feb 10 2009 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
No apology necessary, mistakes happen Smiley: grin
#40 Feb 13 2009 at 5:34 PM Rating: Default
Yeah, were only human :)

Edited, Feb 14th 2009 2:36am by Orwain

Edited, Feb 14th 2009 2:38am by Orwain
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