Maxdps added unholy death knightsFollow

http://www.maxdps.com/deathknight/unholy.php

Now, a few things... It is ranking hit really high on it's calculations. If you're already at 8% hit, more hit really doesn't help much. As such, I personally rate the str/crit gem over the str/hit gem when you're hit capped. I also disagree that the massive hit/expertise chest piece is the best chest. You really should use it not so much as a strict guide so far as zomg it's higher on maxdps' list I need to roll on it, as far as just giving you a general idea of what to look for.

I DO agree with the data about food buffs and flasks/elixirs.
Neck is accurate if you're not hit capped. If you are already at cap, the order probably would be a bit different.
Weapon I would rate the jawbone higher than armageddon, ID, and death's bite, (more top end), but death's bite has hit on it so that's probably why it's rated so high.
Trinkets are hella wierd, I guess grim toll is ranked so low because it's a review of unholy, which doesn't use armor pen much, but with how high it ranks hit... I just dunno.
Shoulder, cloak, bracers, belt, rings, and sigils I probably agree with

Anyway... opinions aside, I just want you to know the site exists. Enjoy.

Because, although it has stuff I disagree with, by and large it has a lot of useful information. You can never have too much information.

Why are you a ********* poster? Discuss.

Ther, I tend to use it for mainly 2 reasons ... and it's purely based around the gear listing database they have. I like being able to select a whole bunch of checkboxes identifying where the gear came from, and then have it present a list of the gear from those sources (5 mans, quests, crafting, etc) which could be of interest to me.

Usually, what I do, is feed in my stats, they will then come up with a list of gear, in an order based on a statweighting, that would be rank the gear from the sources I've selected. I find the piece of gear I have in the list, have a look at the gear 5 steps above, and 5 steps below, then go and do my own comparisons in a spreadsheet which I trust a bit better.

So I use it as a starting point for my search for gear. True, I could use wowhead to do the same thing, but the way maxdps presents the lists, and the ease with which I can include and exclude sources of gear, makes me use maxdps a bit more.

All that being said ... I generally find that, true, the weights they apply to hit are normally skewed (and to a lesser extent, expertise, as it suffers from the same conditions), but if you know that you're ok in the hit department, and a piece of gear is ranked above another based on the amount of extra hit it has ... use your noggin - make the call based on the assumption the hit wasn't there at all ... chances are, you'll find the other piece of gear is better, but the chances are also good that that first piece of gear won't slip more than 2 or 3 places without that +hit on it ... making the gear list still a fairly good approximate view of what's available.

If, however, you're trying to min/max your dps, you shouldn't be looking at "approximation" lists and generalisation sites like maxdps, you should be making use of spreadsheets that some people have gone to a lot of effort to produce in order to facilitate your min/maxing efforts, as those are much more flexible in terms of catering for hit caps et al.

In reference to the comment about it misleading certain individuals if said individuals are not knowledgeable enough about the nuances of the class, and the concept of hit caps - yes, you're right, it can be misleading for those individuals. I am, however, hoping that the posters who come here and discuss class mechanics and choosing gear for enhancing raid performance know better than to take a number presented on a website as a hard and fast rule, and can at least make an informed decision for themselves ... or do I assume too much ?

Edited, Jan 29th 2009 1:21pm by robertlofthouse

For my 1000th post I thought I would let you know that your posts are not deleted...there is a filter that is set up to not show sub-default posts. You can change it to show all if you want.

Third Star!

I haven't used Maxdps as of yet, but I think I'll take a look at it and see if I can use it much like how Robert mentioned.

Btw, Matt, hope you don't think I'm one of those people. I'll argue all day long, but I'm not much into the serial rate-downs.

Thanks for the info Dilbrt

It's me. And yes you are stupid.

I'm not angry. I'm sad. I'm a sad little individual that gets a little high every time I rate you down. It's like a drug. I can't quit.

I'll try to find the link, but I'm pretty sure you have to have at least 15 posts to have a rank (scholar, sage, or guru)...but your point is spot-on.

Solid points, thanks for the explanation. Guess I like crunching numbers too much and prefer to do it myself. Neither better or worse, I just prefer wowhead with a filter or two but I can see your points.


QFT. It's hard to beat a well done mathematical model.


You fail at hoping =) I mean, do you even read most of the posts here!? (kidding, kidding!) Seriously though, how maxdps et. al. can mislead newer raiders is my biggest gripe. I've run across more than a few players who treat imba, maxdps, rawr, etc as the letter of the law or something, even when it should be grossly obvious that their gear choices are worse that sub-optimal. But I guess asshat player is asshat regardless if these sites are around or not, yeah?

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As to the thread derailment - Seems to me SirMattelot just likes to fight. You seem to have gotten into several arguments that have turned into flame-broils. Many posters will down-rate obviously off topic posts that add nothing to the conversation, just a part of how this site works. I dunno daddio, maybe just stop making and replying to flames and focus on the discussions at hand and you'll have a better experience on the forum?

And note the above is in no way intended as a flame itself. =)

QFT, sadly.

thx!

Matt, at this point, most of the new people who might come to this forum to seek advice, won't know enough to turn off the filter to see your posts. And even if they did, they probably wouldn't take the advice of someone who is sub-defaulted.

Unfortunate as it is that it came to that, it is what it is.

So, regardless of your thick skin and seemingly endless patience with "crazy people", the end result seems to have defeated the purpose of you posting here.

I won't argue it one way or the other, but it seems the "crazy people" think you're doing the exact thing to them, that you perceive them doing to you.



And making assumptions about the experience level of the posters here comparative to your own probably isn't going to help much when it comes to people actually listening to what you say.



All I'm saying is getting yourself sub-defaulted for no good reason kinda means no one is gonna read your posts except to reply in some sort of flame... Good luck with that.