DPS Specs Post PatchFollow

You can still DPS with the same specs as before the patch. When it comes to Death Knights, there are still many who have their view skewered by flawed numbers.

When people put up damage meters in instances, the Unholy spec Death Knight will seem as if he's doing a lot better than the Blood or Frost when in fact, most of his DPS comes from the AoE of trash mobs versus Blood doing more on bosses. When people who are unaware of this see those meters, they mistakenly think that either A) They're doing something wrong B) The other guy has all the answers or C) They're undergeared

As far as Frost goes, contrary to what others might tell you, you can DPS using either DW or 2h. With the change to Killing Machine, DW'ing with Frost is more viable than it previously was. Many like using two weapons versus 1 big one, and now they have reason to. Those who prefer a big weapon can still do so and succeed just fine.

When it comes to PVP, even if they constantly change mechanics and talent functions, someone will always find one specific set of talents that appear to work better than others. From what Blizzard has said, they're wanting to change talents in WotLK to prevent having the "make/break" ones.

I'm 2hand frost atm, but 2 weeks ago when I ran Naxx, 14 hours after hitting 80, with 320 hit rating and DWing with the 0/32/39 spec, I did 2.6k dps throughout Arachnid, Plague and Military Quarters.

Just saying...

With the patch changes, what are the ideal speeds for DW, fast/fast, slow/slow or slow/fast?

so how much dps do you have?
2400....2500......does your guild clear naxx?
I outdps everyone in my guild and that doesn't mean i have the best dps spec in the game for dk. Your logic is faulty

I'm not going to comment on which spec is the best overall for DK DPS, but the best I have used so far is the 0/32/39 spec (dw). I tried out blood in a few heroics and was only hitting about 1200 dps. I'm doing over 2000 with the dw spec. In blood's defense, I wasn't very comfortable with the rotations, so I'm not completely disregarding it, but I prefer the dw spec over blood.

This, tbh.
All the cookie-cutter specs are about even with dps, they just do their dps in their own way.

From my opinion DW-specs are the least gear dependant, with blood being the most.(however, from what I've seen up to now, blood also seems to scale the best, unholy's outdps me on heroics/10 mans most of the time, but in 25 man I'm above them on single-target dps.)

First of all, play the game as you want, and have fun with it.

Between single target damage and talent points, blood has actually done the worst damage output for me. I cannot really comment much on deep frost or that dw talent build, just blood and unholy. I had gone the cookie cutter build of 51/13/7, i had a blast with it. I was pretty well geared out. After doing single mob bosses, i.e., VOA, I began to see unholy death knights in lesser gear out damage me. I would armory them and see they were unholy. After really looking at the damage meter I saw where unholy really shines, both in aoe and single target.

Deep blood will see some really nice numbers, I am not going to lie. The issue about blood is that I would have about three, maybe four really damaging abilities by the end of the fight. The numbers would generally put heart strike, melee, then either obliterate, or death coil as the main damage dealers. I mean, huge number totals. Unholy would not have as many huge number totals, but more smaller ones that in the end would total more than my combined damage. Unholy gains so much more from things like necrosis, blood-caked blade, a perma pet, and most importantly crypt fever and wandering plague. Those last two make up a huge chunk of damage potential. With three points in it, you are looking at disease damage increasing by 30%. I also cannot forget another huge, often overlooked, damage dealer, unholy blight. Yes, I know a lot of people don't care for it and don't think it is all that hot. Even on a single mob when you combine unholy blight with impurity, you will be doing a lot of extra damage for free. As soon as it expires, I always put it back on. Since going mainly unholy, my dps has shot up overall, and against single mobs. Blood just does not have enough to catch up to it.

On point is on point.

I have seen top raiding DK's DWing. I have seen parses. I have seen their armory. I have seen them top dps charts in heroics, regular, dummies, etc...

Unfortunately that is only on my server. It's a small pool to collect information from.

Personal experience is incredible and it's what I attempt to give as my opinion when I come to these forums.

My point is that this forum is a place for opinions, and disrespecting someone's opinion because your own isn't the same isn't the route to go if you wish to fulfill the purpose of these forums.

Regardless of if you get angry, or reply to flames, the simple act of you posting in a thread after continuously pissing off everyone in this forum is going to continue to derail threads.

DW vs 2H

DW doesn't focus on strikes, therefore having two 1handers doesn't gimp it's DPS potential

Both are viable. Both are capable of very high sustained DPS on both Single and Multi target encounters.

Unless you have substantial proof that one or the other is exponentially higher than the other, then you shouldn't post stating that 2h is the way to go because it "speaks for itself"

Blood leveling glyphs... I would PROBABLY go death strike, obliterate, and then either ghoul or blood strike (works with heart strike). Minors I would go with Raise Dead, Horn of Winter, and pestilence.

Did you really just take a shot at my brand new 80 DK's gear?

Fair enough.

My opinions are based around insight and knowledge from the class population as a whole, not from singular experience.

Good day Sir.

One more time, with feeling.

My opinions are based around insight and knowledge from the class population as a whole, not from singular experience.

Mind linking me your toon?