New dk, which spec for best DPS D:Follow

I tried unholy. I went back to blood. Love the self healing. I did get a little bit of healing out of unholy but still had to use a bandage. With blood I've yet to use one. Not saying unholy is worthless. Just not for me. Different strokes for different folks. Play what you like and what you are used to. I mean...can't we all just get along :D

Mental I'm not arguing anything at all but I thought you were hardcore blood. If I recall. I just can't Aoe properly/getting my action keys settup to were i can use my ghoul and abilities....

Seeing as how the OP has a pally, let's make a fair comparison regarding leveling Blood or Unholy:

Blood DK plays a lot like Ret: Single/Double pulls where you hit hard and it's over faster than prom night and you're on to the next target.

Unholy DK plays slightly more like a Prot-Farm build where you're gathering, wearing down the gaggle, and moving on.

In a very generic nutshell, I think that's a reasonable distillation for the OP. At 80 things change of course =)

Therion grats on guru. I'm still gonna stick with blood until I get to a point in my leveling experience that I need to use aoe. My guild leader is 68 and unholy. He love it. He fights 4-5 mobs at once. Says the battle is over in about 10-20 seconds. I feel so much love in the thread right now that my eye balls are about to pop out and do a dance.

In your opinion



Unholy fanboy > Blood fanboy?



Disregard others because my opinion is > than their opinion?



Facts in your opinion? Close-minded? Concept of "spec'ing to cater to your playstyle" Went over your head?



Hi kettle, I'm Pot. Wait...you're blacker than I am....

Opinions...unfortunately everyone has one and you can't make an opinion a fact. No matter how you look at it, everyone's playstyle for leveling and endgame will vary. There is no "Perfect" spec. If there was, Blizz would nerf it. 32/39 is nice at endgame, so is deep blood, so is deep unholy. All the trees are great for leveling depending on your play style. Honestly. Relax. Breath.

I believe in everyone has there own playstyles and opinions. I don't force any of my fellow guildies to take a spec just because I'm playing it. I tell them about what each spec can offer and let them make the decision. One of our members is leveling as DW frost and is having a great time with it. Actually kicked my butt a few times. Is it me or do DK's swing faster then say warriors while dwing. o.O?

"I'm calmer than you are"

It's a mild suprise that you think I'm flaming you, or jumping on any bandwagon. Implying that I didn't read your posts is also quite disappointing.

I understand where you are coming from in your opinion of what you believe is the best leveling spec and for what reasons you believe it so.

What I don't agree with is how you are stating your opinion as greater than that. I'm not stating others aren't doing the same. Mental is definitely reacting to your posts in a more aggressive manner.

Simple.

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You guys are having this same argument in another thread...can we close one of them?

Well played...

You guys are having this same discussion in another thread, can we close one?


Better?

Soul, as far as the 32/39 spec, it's basically to maximize talents that benefit from DW : like Killing Machine (before patch) Necrosis and Blood-Caked Blade. It also was deep enough in Frost to get Howling blast and deep enough in Unholy to get Bone Shield, Desecration and Gargoyle. All of which are not dependent on your weapon damage.

Frost leveling in my experience was a little more like Unholy than Blood. Spreading Frost Fever and then using Howling blast to AoE them. It has decent single target as well with Oblit. A leveling frost spec might pick up Unbreakable Armor for the extra strength when DPSing and the extra oh **** button when needed. It doesn't have the 3 diseases Unholy does and therefore slightly less self heal through Death Strike, or the inherent heath regen that blood picks up.

As far as using blood boil while spec'd blood. I believe they mean that it is more effective to just use the higher damage Heart Strike with that Rune, rather than use a lower damage AoE on all mobs. The Heart Strike (especially now with the cleave it has) ends up doing more damage overall per rune.

That spec looks fine for leveling. The tough part would be deciding when you want to branch into frost to pick up Annihilation so your diseases aren't consumed by Oblit. Other than that it's not bad. I'm not sure I like the 2 points in unholy, but I also don't really see much else to do with them besides maybe Mark of Blood for extra healing from Blood and Lichborne (love emergency heals through Death Coil)for another Oh **** button.

With soloing elites. I did so with both Blood and Unholy. Blood has a lot of abilities built into it to regen health and Unholy has the extra disease, which makes your death strike hit harder, thereby increasing the amount healed by it.

I never really did any elites as frost that I remember, although now at 80, I can solo 78-80 elites pretty easily as well.

It's really more about rotating your abilities and knowing when to use them at the right time. In my opinion, all 3 DK specs are more than capable of soloing elites just between our high dps, plate, oh **** buttons, and ability to using a damaging spell to regen health.