hey, I'm looking for a working macro that would make me cast cheap shot then stop attacking.
I've tried /cast cheap shot /stopattack, but it doesnt seem to work as expected.
Anyone has an idea?
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What kind of results did you get with that?
I'm not sure what you're after...
/cast Cheap Shot /stopattack
I'm not sure what you're after...
Why not just turn as you cheap shot so you can't attack?
/cast cheap shot
/target player
/target lasttarget
Edited, Jan 23rd 2009 8:11am by EonSprinter
/target player
/target lasttarget
Edited, Jan 23rd 2009 8:11am by EonSprinter
Regardless of making it work, MentalFrog still has the right idea...what's the point of doing this at all? >.>a
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The point is : I sap the target, cast cheap shot. wait to get out of combat and get another opener with already 2 combo point.
with a "/cast cheap shot /stopattack" my char kept attacking anyway.
I've also tried to turn my back right after CS but it doesn't always work, some time I land a white attack right after that breaks sap.
I'm gonna try the other macro suggested when I go back online, not gonna be tonight though so it'll take some time before i can come back with some feedback.
Someone else might be able to confirm if it works though.
Thanks a lot for the help! =)
Edited, Jan 23rd 2009 1:43am by Shkan
Edited, Jan 23rd 2009 1:44am by Shkan
with a "/cast cheap shot /stopattack" my char kept attacking anyway.
I've also tried to turn my back right after CS but it doesn't always work, some time I land a white attack right after that breaks sap.
I'm gonna try the other macro suggested when I go back online, not gonna be tonight though so it'll take some time before i can come back with some feedback.
Someone else might be able to confirm if it works though.
Thanks a lot for the help! =)
Edited, Jan 23rd 2009 1:43am by Shkan
Edited, Jan 23rd 2009 1:44am by Shkan
Shkan wrote:
The point is : I sap the target, cast cheap shot. wait to get out of combat and get another opener with already 2 combo point.
with a "/cast cheap shot /stopattack" my char kept attacking anyway.
I've also tried to turn my back right after CS but it doesn't always work, some time I land a white attack right after that breaks sap.
I'm gonna try the other macro suggested when I go back online, not gonna be tonight though so it'll take some time before i can come back with some feedback.
Someone else might be able to confirm if it works though.
Thanks a lot for the help! =)
with a "/cast cheap shot /stopattack" my char kept attacking anyway.
I've also tried to turn my back right after CS but it doesn't always work, some time I land a white attack right after that breaks sap.
I'm gonna try the other macro suggested when I go back online, not gonna be tonight though so it'll take some time before i can come back with some feedback.
Someone else might be able to confirm if it works though.
Thanks a lot for the help! =)
There's no reason to sap a target and then hit it with CS. There's no reason to CS a target and drop combat.
The reason I asked why exactly you want to do this is because then we can give better advice. We can help your macro work or we can help you improve your gameplay by suggesting a better way to achieve exactly what you're after.
Stunlock the target? Build up combo points? Give yourself time to heal/bandage? Grab a quest item and haul out?
Shkan wrote:
The point is : I sap the target, cast cheap shot. wait to get out of combat and get another opener with already 2 combo point.
This is all irrelevant if you are fighting a NPC. You won't drop combat for awhile. The target would completely reset if you were fighting an NPC.
Now, if you were fighting another player it is still a poor choice to do this when you can just keep attacking to build up combo points and start a stunlock cycle.
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There's no reason to sap a target and then hit it with CS. There's no reason to CS a target and drop combat.
The reason I asked why exactly you want to do this is because then we can give better advice. We can help your macro work or we can help you improve your gameplay by suggesting a better way to achieve exactly what you're after.
Stunlock the target? Build up combo points? Give yourself time to heal/bandage? Grab a quest item and haul out?
The reason I asked why exactly you want to do this is because then we can give better advice. We can help your macro work or we can help you improve your gameplay by suggesting a better way to achieve exactly what you're after.
Stunlock the target? Build up combo points? Give yourself time to heal/bandage? Grab a quest item and haul out?
I mostly do it to build up combo point since i like to be prepared, or get a chance to provoke an use of trinket. I don't know if it's worth it though, i found that enemies in pvp seem to die quickly under the time of CS followed by KS. I'm only 78 though, I figured it might be different at 80 and a good way to begin a fight would be to open with Sap/CS, restealth, garrote, followed by a 5 points Eviscerate/Rupture/Expose Armor.
In a situation where you fight something not too squishy I don't think thats a poor idea.
-you get a free 2 combo points
-you can open the 2nd time with Garrote, dealing some more damage
-you can almost immediatly follow by a KS suffering no diminushing returns, lasting a full 6 seconds. while you have a Garrote DoT working
It seems like a good idea to me.
Sap/CS is just a waste of energy.
Try Vanish and Prep for double openers.
Try Vanish and Prep for double openers.
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I don't know why everyone keeps saying it's a waste of energy. You have plenty of time to replenish it before saps wear out and it's much more reliable than a 3 minutes cooldown or even 10 minutes.
Are the people telling me it's a waste of energy aware that CS does NOT break sap ?
If you did know it, then how is it a waste of energy? I might be missing something.
Are the people telling me it's a waste of energy aware that CS does NOT break sap ?
If you did know it, then how is it a waste of energy? I might be missing something.
shkan wrote:
I don't know why everyone keeps saying it's a waste of energy. You have plenty of time to replenish it before saps wear out and it's much more reliable than a 3 minutes cooldown or even 10 minutes.
Because it is. I'm not sure what kind of PvP your doing, but in BGs/arena the fights are so fast that you don't normally have time to get out of combat and restealth like your saying.
There is a TON of better ways using your energy/openers/finishers for pvp. I suggest you go into Theo's PvP forums and read up.
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Getting out of combat is a viable tactic in some arena matches and can be useful in BGs as well. The point is that you're wasting energy on the Sap, not the CS. Why do you want to overwrite one stun with another? Sap can be renewed without any need for a CS (I suggest using a target=mouseover macro). I can see no reason to double them up and with a PvP spec, combo points aren't an issue enough to justify the overwrite. Forcing a trink will blow both the Sap and CS, so no dice there.... Maybe you should explain more precisely what you're trying to accomplish and why so we can answer your question with more "umph".
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I won't try to convince anyone, that's fine with me if you think it's wrong to begin a fight with an extra 2 combo points, I'll keep doing it. It may takes more time than simply opening with CS followed by KS but when you're in a situation where you can take your time I prefer to be careful.
I'm gonna try the mouse over macro, that's a good idea.
Thanks for the comments everyone !
If anyone is curious about seeing the Sap/CS trick, I found the video that originally gave me the idea of using it : http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=95273&stream=
You'll see it in the first 2 minutes.
I'm gonna try the mouse over macro, that's a good idea.
Thanks for the comments everyone !
If anyone is curious about seeing the Sap/CS trick, I found the video that originally gave me the idea of using it : http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=95273&stream=
You'll see it in the first 2 minutes.
While we're on the subject, I'm curious what happened to the tactic, anyway. It used to be pretty popular among what I saw as skilled rogues back pre-TBC in the days when Rip was still known as "teh uber rogue" (I think he used the technique in some of his videos). While I can imagine it being a bit more useless right now (seeing as burst and dismantle allow us to go toe-to-toe with a warrior and win), I can't come up with a definite reason as to why it would be useless.
Here's a situation:
Imagine me, mut/prep spec, 32 energy saps, 30 energy cheap shots.
-> From the moment I sap somebody, I've got 10 seconds to do my thing. I lose 1 second to the global CD. I then throw down my cheap shot with some kind of /stopattack macro. That's 62 energy lost and 9 seconds left before sap breaks.
-> I only need 6 seconds of not fighting to get myself out of combat to restealth, and in 9 seconds I can regenerate a total of 90 energy which is more than the 62 I've spent.
-> Profit ???
The only real argument I could bring up that would put a dent into the idea is that you're getting Cheap Shot on Diminishing Returns. It might sound a bit like you're taking the long route around, but 2 combo points for no loss isn't a bad tradeoff, right?
Here's a situation:
Imagine me, mut/prep spec, 32 energy saps, 30 energy cheap shots.
-> From the moment I sap somebody, I've got 10 seconds to do my thing. I lose 1 second to the global CD. I then throw down my cheap shot with some kind of /stopattack macro. That's 62 energy lost and 9 seconds left before sap breaks.
-> I only need 6 seconds of not fighting to get myself out of combat to restealth, and in 9 seconds I can regenerate a total of 90 energy which is more than the 62 I've spent.
-> Profit ???
The only real argument I could bring up that would put a dent into the idea is that you're getting Cheap Shot on Diminishing Returns. It might sound a bit like you're taking the long route around, but 2 combo points for no loss isn't a bad tradeoff, right?
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It's a fantastic skill that has situational use, less now than before. Remember that Cheap Shot is now off the diminishing returns, so dont worry about that, however sap does activate the diminishing return for gouge too which is of note.
In 1v1 it really shines in combat or mutilate builds vs Paladins, Mages, Rogues, Shamans and sometimes warriors. Basically it gives you a free 2 or 3 combo points to utilise as you want. Sometimes while duelling I like to open up with a 5 point eviscerate rather than a kidney shot, or save energy for more attacks rather than combo building during the duration of Cheap Shot.
Anyway, to the issue at hand. I've currently found no way of macroing this.
/cast Cheap Shot
/stopattack
definitely doesn't work. Your best bet is just to practice doing it over and over, by cheap shotting and quickly turning. Get a buddy and get some duels. Sometimes while running heroics I Cheap Shot critters without killing them and then load up a 2 point slice and dice for later (useless but fun in between pulls).
Another thing to practice when you've mastered that is to sap/cs, then sap/garrote without breaking sap, then apply 5 point rupture without breaking sap, and run into a warriors deadzone. Lots of fun when you pull it off! :)
In 1v1 it really shines in combat or mutilate builds vs Paladins, Mages, Rogues, Shamans and sometimes warriors. Basically it gives you a free 2 or 3 combo points to utilise as you want. Sometimes while duelling I like to open up with a 5 point eviscerate rather than a kidney shot, or save energy for more attacks rather than combo building during the duration of Cheap Shot.
Anyway, to the issue at hand. I've currently found no way of macroing this.
/cast Cheap Shot
/stopattack
definitely doesn't work. Your best bet is just to practice doing it over and over, by cheap shotting and quickly turning. Get a buddy and get some duels. Sometimes while running heroics I Cheap Shot critters without killing them and then load up a 2 point slice and dice for later (useless but fun in between pulls).
Another thing to practice when you've mastered that is to sap/cs, then sap/garrote without breaking sap, then apply 5 point rupture without breaking sap, and run into a warriors deadzone. Lots of fun when you pull it off! :)
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shkan wrote:
I don't know why everyone keeps saying it's a waste of energy. You have plenty of time to replenish it before saps wear out and it's much more reliable than a 3 minutes cooldown or even 10 minutes.
Because it is. I'm not sure what kind of PvP your doing, but in BGs/arena the fights are so fast that you don't normally have time to get out of combat and restealth like your saying.
There is a TON of better ways using your energy/openers/finishers for pvp. I suggest you go into Theo's PvP forums and read up.
Actually, it's a legitimate skill. I use it all the time in duels.
As you sap someone when they come in range, you then Cheap Shot, turn away quickly before your auto attack can break sap, then you return to stealth when the cooldown is up, having just gotten 2-3 free combo points on your target.
It's of course useless in anything but 1v1 combat, but it's definitely a skill that all PvPing rogues should have.
That said, it's worthless to make a macro for it. Learn how to turn yourself fast enough that you don't auto attack; it's really not that hard.
Y'all need to watch more rogue PvP videos.
I, the noob of the rogue forums, rest my case. Haven't done much 1v1 lately, but I'll give it a go.
BTW Mozared, CS isn't on DRs anymore; KS is, as of last patch.
Using the same turn-away technique you can also land a expose armor without breaking sap. This is really useful if you are dueling against someone squishy and you Blind>Sap with 5 combo points up. No point starting a stunlock when you are effectively losing 2-3 combo points.
I've used the cheapshot-turn away tactic a few times in duels. Best way to practice is against the target dummys obviously. Sometimes you will find that your poisons actually proc off the cheapshot and if you are running Wound/Mind as muti you find that wound will often proc and ***** up the whole procedure.
Best way to pull this off is to cheapshot and whilst holding the right mouse button down, quickly turn away (I find that turning to the left works more often).
I've used the cheapshot-turn away tactic a few times in duels. Best way to practice is against the target dummys obviously. Sometimes you will find that your poisons actually proc off the cheapshot and if you are running Wound/Mind as muti you find that wound will often proc and ***** up the whole procedure.
Best way to pull this off is to cheapshot and whilst holding the right mouse button down, quickly turn away (I find that turning to the left works more often).
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