Elemental PvP Specs. Follow

I would not worry about pvp talents until your 80 for the most part.

at 80 I would suggest something like this:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=053300152321105132531351000000000000000000000000000050520310000000000000000000&glyph=121503030602

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=053300152321105132531351000000000000000000000000000050523010000000000000000000&glyph=121516030602

I think most would try something more similar to the first option at 80 but for me atleast I find beefing up LS to be well worth it in PvP.

For me it always seems I do use lightning shield, fire totems and shocks more then anything to dish out damage while staying mobile, using a well timed Flame Shock Lava Burst to finish them off.

Good point guadion I see what you mean, although at the same time I like keeping certain talents for 5 mans =P

for a full out arena pvp spec I would have to agree LO ios not worth the hassel, only time we cast LB in arena is durring BL if we aren't being stunned to death =P

I have actualy been on an unexpected break from wow for about 2 weeks now lol. Between my PC acting up and my time card running out I have been reluctant to purchase a new card (my last card got little play because wow just would not work lol)

But I have been keeping up with changes and have been very interested in what blizzard has been doing with elemental, as it is you can get a spec that works ok for both with loss of very minor pve talents...

I have to agree with the way LO is atm it is not too necesary but i have nop hard numbers to offer you to back that up, and your right the amount of spell power you gain from EW is minor enough to pass up (it doesn't scale well at all when you think about it).

Even convection is meh when you consider our spells being so cheap in PvE with all the mana batteries running around, and in PvP Water shield helps keep mana up really well.

Your spec looks pretty solid I might suggest something a bit more like this though...

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=053305152321335132031351000000000000000000000000000050500010000000000000000000&glyph=120715050306

or

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=053300152321335132031351000000000000000000000000000050523010000000000000000000&glyph=120715050306

but if LO is worth getting for atleast pve

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=053300152321335132531351000000000000000000000000000050500010000000000000000000&glyph=120715050306

Edited, Jan 24th 2009 1:37pm by jmfmb

I don't have hard number on it but with the flame shock glyph your standard rotation will involve 8 LB between your FS. I would think that not taking LO will gimp your DPS in a raid setting. For solo PvE it's another story.

Without any haste, LB is a 2 sec cast. LvB cooldown is 8 sec and FS ticks for 18 sec with glyph. Add haste and the perfect rotation is almost impossible.
I find that FS > LvB > 4xLB > LvB > 4xLB > repeat, works well. Only my opinion though.







Edited, Jan 25th 2009 6:47pm by feelz

In light of this discussion I think I am going to shuffle my build around a little and take LO instead of Convection. If I end up having mana issues then... well... I'll go back to the drawing board. But casting 3-4 LB's in between most LvB's would definitely warrent the inclusion of LO in PvE without a doubt.

I guess with the glyph to reduce the GCD by 1 sec it might be worth testing. You would have to give up a glyph though and ES is 25 yards range with talents. I think spamming LB/CL between LvB and refresh FS when needed is still a better option.




Yes. Works also for CL.




Lightning bolt is a 2 sec cast with talents. Even without trying, you end up with a bunch of haste plus you have wrath of air totem. You won't get to a 1 sec. cast without giving up more important stats for haste.

Right now, without the totem, my LB is around 1.84 sec. with 260 haste rating.

That's true of every encounter where you need to be constantly on the move. On a fight like patchwerk though, if you can't get at least 6-8 LB between your FS you're doing something wrong.

I can only think of a few fights where I can't really use any kind of rotation. Heigan comes to mind... maybe grobulus if you're not lucky and always get the debuff... can't really think of any other fights where I couldn't stand in a corner and just spam to my heart's content.

Mind you, right now my guild needs me as resto so I've only seen the encounter once or twice as dps so maybe my memory is a bit off.

I don't think any elemental shaman in PvE should pass on LO. Where are you gonna put those point anyways.


Just out of curiosity, if you don't take convection, where do you put those 5 points?

It was actually a night of more experimentation. If you'll scroll up a few posts you'll notice I expressed interest in a build that was not optimal for either PvE or PvP, but sufficiently functional at both. I used that build exactly except with the five points in Convection swapped into LO.


There is a lot of give and take there.

Consider that Chain Lightning is 2.5 times more expensive than Lightning Bolt and, with the recent changes to talents and the glyph for LB, doesn't hit all that much harder anymore. The big advantage to CL is the reduced cast time, which, if kept off cooldown, does result in a DPS increase over time. I guess, in answer to your question, I don't think that having Convection would have made a difference either way if I had gone ahead with CL spam.

The people talking about maintaining a rotation that involves keeping CL off cooldown are usually people like Jiade, who are counting on raid buffs to push them towards the 50% crit mark so that Elemental Focus is always active in addition to raid regeneration buffs. These are also the people that main-spec Elemental and have geared, gemmed, and enchanted for Elemental. (And usually in better raids in general so stuff dies faster and fights are generally shorter.) This was only my second night playing Elemental seriously in nearly a year. I have no idea what the spec is capable of in a raid environment at this point, and even less so with a hack gear set in my unfamiliar hands.

Bottom line, there are a lot of wrinkles there. Given more time with the spec, I would have ironed those out, but as my guild considers me one of their better healers, they're reluctant to let me go even with our general need of DPS, so it's something that's going to have to wait until dual-spec comes out. I certainly don't presume to be "good" at Elemental and I wouldn't suggest anyone emulate my build, but I was quite satisfied with it.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2009 5:55pm by Gaudion

It's not the amount that CL hits for. It's the faster cast time. You can head on over to EJ to check the math on it if you want, but the concensus seems to be that keeping CL off cooldown in your rotations results in higher DPS over time. But it is a mana hog regardless, which is the part I was concerned about.