Swipe (Cat Form) Modified By Talent?Follow

I'm not sure where I read it, but yes I think it does.

Woot! That's awesome.

Maybe a silly question here, but what talent affects bear form swipe? I can't think of any. Or find any.

I think something went really wrong! XD

While in Cat Form, the tooltip changes from 260% to 338%.

What's up with that? Also, would that make Shred obsolete? :/

Yeah, can't believe I didn't realize sooner. O_o

Anyway, I did some rough maths and it seems that Shred won't lose its use. My maths might be wrong, I'm super tired, but I think it makes sense:

At ~660 Weapon Damage, Swipe would do more damage than Shred with no Mangle debuff.
Considering that, when both talented, Swipe costs a bit more than Shred (still without debuff), it would actually take ~820 WD to make it equal damage:energy ratio-wise.

And now with the debuff, it gets even more ridicule...
It would take some ~2100 WD for Swipe to be equal to Shred on a Mangle'd target.
And again, if you factor the difference in cost, it'd take ~4200 WD...

Surely some of you already had that figured, but, y'know, I haven't played in so long it actually sounded like Swipe could beat Shred.
Or I'm just really, really rusty at maths... who knows.

Edited, Jan 20th 2009 7:37pm by Selverein

Still at work so I have to ask. Does Swipe generate combo points and if so how many when used in a multi-mob situation.

Which is one reason it won't replace Shred.

ah key factor here how many mobs are you planing on doing with swipe remember it's an aoe attack not a single target attack so mangle and shred would be the op rotation for single swipe will take the dice probaly around 4 mobs i would say. i know a rogue in our 10 man last night hit fan of knives all the time.

Yeah, I should've mentioned that, sorry.

But my initial thoughts when I saw the addition of that skill before the patch rolled in, I saw the cost and damage and thought it might rival with Shred even on single targets. Turns out I even forgot about the RnT damage bonus, but like I said earlier the Mangle damage bonus is quite enough to blow Swipe outta the water. Still nice to have an AoE attack and all that, I'm just relieved it's not gonna replace our whole skill bars. ;P

Nope. Cat Swipe > Bear Swipe from my experience last night. On relatively small groups (5-6 mobs) cat swipe was doing over 3k DPS compared to my memories of 2-2.5k with bear swipe in similar pulls. Long AoE's might be a bit different, but with OOC & TF you can get a significant number in before energy starts to limit you (throw in a beserk and you will be in love!)

A 1 combo point savage roar + tigers fury + beserk + swipe spam = AOE madness!! Damn i love the new swipe :D

Ran heroic nexus earlier and with savage roar up I hit 7k dps for one pull with I think 5 mobs and some lucky OOC procs and a tiger's fury.

edit- I really need to update my sig...

Edited, Jan 23rd 2009 1:24am by Narroai

If he has the talent that grants 60 energy on a use of Tiger's Fury then I think it would be good to use it in this situation provided his energy was low enough to justify it's use.

The last few days of raiding since the patch I have found that cat form swipe is somewhat semi-spammable and has led to insanely high dps figures for me in certain situations. Last night in heroic Naxx on one aoe pull I topped out at 19,800 dps (ended the pull at 12,000 dps roughly). On most other multiple mob pulls I did anywhere from 4000 to 7000 dps spamming cat form swipe and supplementing with Tiger's Fury for 60 extra energy (I have the talent) and Berserk for stupid fast spamming.

I love this ability! Previously on aoe pulls I'd made it a habit to pop out of cat form and use Hurricane. Even as feral it does surprisingly good damage in spite of it not being the least bit mana efficient. I took it off my bars completely. Cat form swipe is all I'll ever need now to stay competitive in aoe situations.

Edited, Jan 27th 2009 12:55pm by Tavarde

Edited, Jan 27th 2009 12:55pm by Tavarde