I do applogize if this was alrdy posted, but I was curious. I tried a heroic UK today and failed, tank had 566 defense, 20k hp i couldnt keep him up for the life of me. I have just over 1000 spell power 10k ish health around 14k mana, and around 700ish mana per 5 seconds buffed, would link my armory but for some reason I cant find it and im like 1000th in a queue to log in or else id give more info hehe, name is jitterz on antonidas if anyone has better luck finding it. Just want to know what i need to work on to be able to do heroics as a holy priest.
Edited, Jan 18th 2009 10:29pm by mathewpart
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Figured out how to find my armory hehe http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Antonidas&n=Jitterz
Your spellpower seems awfully low. I think you should aim for something in the 1300-1500 range to get started.
I can't tell you what you should improve in the holy talent tree, but what you should definetely do is to drop Silent Resolve and pick up Improved Inner fire. That's a nice chunk of free spellpower right there.
Your staff... I wouldn't dare entering a heroic instance with that. A level 70 quest reward? Please don't do that to yourself and others! Go do the Amphitheater of Anguish quests in Zul'Drak before even thinking about another heroic. Pick up a Prison Manifest off the AH to go along with the mace you get as reward from that quest line.
Despite 20k health being much too low for a tank, your gear really isn't ready for heroics yet - unless you have a tank with like 35K health and the group pushes like an average 1800-2000 dps.
There is a bunch of stuff that can be crafted. Look for that unless you want to spend some more time doing the normal 80 instances.
I can't tell you what you should improve in the holy talent tree, but what you should definetely do is to drop Silent Resolve and pick up Improved Inner fire. That's a nice chunk of free spellpower right there.
Your staff... I wouldn't dare entering a heroic instance with that. A level 70 quest reward? Please don't do that to yourself and others! Go do the Amphitheater of Anguish quests in Zul'Drak before even thinking about another heroic. Pick up a Prison Manifest off the AH to go along with the mace you get as reward from that quest line.
Despite 20k health being much too low for a tank, your gear really isn't ready for heroics yet - unless you have a tank with like 35K health and the group pushes like an average 1800-2000 dps.
There is a bunch of stuff that can be crafted. Look for that unless you want to spend some more time doing the normal 80 instances.
Kanngarnix wrote:
Your staff... I wouldn't dare entering a heroic instance with that. A level 70 quest reward? Please don't do that to yourself and others! Go do the Amphitheater of Anguish quests in Zul'Drak before even thinking about another heroic. Pick up a Prison Manifest off the AH to go along with the mace you get as reward from that quest line.
There is a bunch of stuff that can be crafted. Look for that unless you want to spend some more time doing the normal 80 instances.
Do this, I have prison manifest and the staff from the amphitheatre. It doesn't take long to do either, the whole thing is about 5 or 6 bosses? I also have mainly crafted gear apart from that, I see you have tailoring so look through your recipes and check out the black duskweave sets and the moonshroud items.
I bought a new ring and necklace and the prison manifest, I got the staff from the quest and I crafted a few things, the others are bits I picked up from quests and drops and one item from a normal dungeon.
Enchants can also go a long way if you can get a guildie to do some for you the mats for the spellpower enchants are pretty cheap.
Edited, Jan 19th 2009 8:45am by ysabellstohelit
Agree with Kanngarnix. Personally I wouldn't try a heroic with less than 1500 spellpower self-buffed (with Inner Fire, and I agree you should pick up the talent). That's not a rule, but it's where I'd be comfortable. I think your regen is good.
My gear is in a state of "still getting started" so I can sympathize. In general when gearing up to start in both BC and Lich King I worked toward rep rewards, so as to get something guaranteed without having to wait on a drop. It only takes a couple of days to get Revered with the Kalu'ak (the guys who look like the Lorax) and their mace is, IMO, reasonable for starting heroics and Naxx. So that's a really quick and easy upgrade right there. Wyrmrest has a better mace and the Kirin Tor have a decent dagger. The Oracles have a pretty good starter belt.
And I see you're a tailor. Hopefully you're making moonshroud. The Moonshroud robe and gloves aren't what the Primal Mooncloth set was, but they're nice starter gear. The Wispcloak is also very nice.
Also, I don't see any enchants on your gear except for the spellthread on your pants and the buckle on your belt. I know you may not want to spend gold to enchant blues and greens that'll hopefully be quickly replaced, but even some BC enchants, which you can probably get super cheap right now, would give you a boost.
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Edited, Jan 19th 2009 8:54am by teacake
My gear is in a state of "still getting started" so I can sympathize. In general when gearing up to start in both BC and Lich King I worked toward rep rewards, so as to get something guaranteed without having to wait on a drop. It only takes a couple of days to get Revered with the Kalu'ak (the guys who look like the Lorax) and their mace is, IMO, reasonable for starting heroics and Naxx. So that's a really quick and easy upgrade right there. Wyrmrest has a better mace and the Kirin Tor have a decent dagger. The Oracles have a pretty good starter belt.
And I see you're a tailor. Hopefully you're making moonshroud. The Moonshroud robe and gloves aren't what the Primal Mooncloth set was, but they're nice starter gear. The Wispcloak is also very nice.
Also, I don't see any enchants on your gear except for the spellthread on your pants and the buckle on your belt. I know you may not want to spend gold to enchant blues and greens that'll hopefully be quickly replaced, but even some BC enchants, which you can probably get super cheap right now, would give you a boost.
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Edited, Jan 19th 2009 8:54am by teacake
I agree that 1500 spell power is the minimum, and that's for easy heroics in a guild run. If you intedn to PUG, I'd aim for closer to 1700. I've got 1900+ right now, and some PUGs are still virtually impossible to heal.
A good place to start is the Nexus HC. It's really easy, very quick, and the last boss drops a kick *** mace for priests. I'd farm this until you get it, and then move to UK and UP.
A good place to start is the Nexus HC. It's really easy, very quick, and the last boss drops a kick *** mace for priests. I'd farm this until you get it, and then move to UK and UP.
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I do applogize if this was alrdy posted, but I was curious. I tried a heroic UK today and failed, tank had 566 defense, 20k hp i couldnt keep him up for the life of me. I have just over 1000 spell power 10k ish health around 14k mana, and around 700ish mana per 5 seconds buffed, would link my armory but for some reason I cant find it and im like 1000th in a queue to log in or else id give more info hehe, name is jitterz on antonidas if anyone has better luck finding it. Just want to know what i need to work on to be able to do heroics as a holy priest.
Pretty much every stat you have is too low for heroics. Based on what I've been experienced lately, here's what I'd say are the absolute minimum requirements for an average priest:
Keep in mind that would be the absolute minimum and wouldn't get trough anything tougher than Gun'drak while assuming you have a decent tank and know your class at least pretty well. Betters numbers to aim for would imo be;
Edit: That said, I do find myself disagreeing with Redphoenixx; I'm currently at 1500 spellpower and finishing up heroics. I've done Naxx once with another disc priest and I might've been slightly below it's requirements.
Edited, Jan 19th 2009 3:50pm by Mozared
Mozared wrote:
That said, I do find myself disagreeing with Redphoenixx; I'm currently at 1500 spellpower and finishing up heroics. I've done Naxx once with another disc priest and I might've been slightly below it's requirements.
Well, good on you for doing well with 1500. I found that I wasn't completely comfortable before I reached 1700, either in Naxx or in some tough Heroics healing a PUG.
But everyone is different. When I ran with my guild, I could heal any heroic with 1400, when I'm with PUGs I still sometimes struggle to keep everyone alive with 1900.
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Thank you all for the replies, least now I have some idea what to aim for. I had no clue where I should be to try heroics , now I know =). Thank you again , very much.
I understand your dilemma. I had been gearing up for heroics using some of the criteria found in this forum. I won a few drops here and there, but was not even close to what I wanted to be at gear-wise before starting heroics. I let the groups (PUGs) know when they asked me that I was a tad undergeared (normal wand is this). I have to work a little harder than I am used to, but I have been doing the lower level heroics without much difficulty.
Guess my point is, if you wait until you think your gear will cover your or your groups' mistakes, you'll be waiting a long time. I'm not trying to be critical of you. I have caused a wipe or two (or ten), but many times have been asked back. I really don't know if I am a good healer or there is just a lack of them on my server. Since I am the only healer in most groups that I do, it is difficult to find a reference point. I do check my recount afterwards and find I'm doing ~1300 hps. Either way, if I had waited to start heroics until I achieved what I had thought was the minimum, I'd still be waiting.
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Edited, Jan 19th 2009 6:24pm by Trylofer
Guess my point is, if you wait until you think your gear will cover your or your groups' mistakes, you'll be waiting a long time. I'm not trying to be critical of you. I have caused a wipe or two (or ten), but many times have been asked back. I really don't know if I am a good healer or there is just a lack of them on my server. Since I am the only healer in most groups that I do, it is difficult to find a reference point. I do check my recount afterwards and find I'm doing ~1300 hps. Either way, if I had waited to start heroics until I achieved what I had thought was the minimum, I'd still be waiting.
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Edited, Jan 19th 2009 6:24pm by Trylofer
Mozared wrote:
Based on what I've been experienced lately, here's what I'd say are the absolute minimum requirements for an average priest:
Keep in mind that would be the absolute minimum and wouldn't get trough anything tougher than Gun'drak while assuming you have a decent tank and know your class at least pretty well.
- 1200 spellpower self-buffed (with inner fire, that is)
- 15.000 mana and/or 700 intellect
- 400 mp5 outside the 5SR, 100 mp5 inside
- 350 spirit for disc, 500 spirit for holy and either
- 12% holy spell crit rating for holy, 15% for disc or
- 5% spell haste
Keep in mind that would be the absolute minimum and wouldn't get trough anything tougher than Gun'drak while assuming you have a decent tank and know your class at least pretty well.
Thank you for this- after hitting 80 the other night, I re-spec'd to Disc for the long haul, and have spent the better part of today running various instances to improve my gear. I pretty much fall exactly into your "minimum", and I think I may try Heroic Nexus tomorrow night (only non-heroic I have left to run is Oculus... wow, I don't like that one at ALL).
My Armory~ http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Binya (wasn't working before, for whatever reason)
Well, quite a bit really depends on the group composition and attitude. Having somebody decursing/depoisoning is making a HUGE difference. You probably won't get that with people who only care about their position on Recount.
Knowing the fights and mobs and already expecting things will save you some stressful healing too. Some of the more notable are:
Spell Flingers in Ahn'Kahet (Old Kingdom): They have a nasty spell that reduces a player's health by a flat 50% if allowed to go off. It's wise to set your focus on those so you see whom they are targeting and whether or not they get interrupted. That way you have your heal ready to go.
King Dred in Drak'Tharon Keep: He dishes out a nasty bleed effect that won't stop until the affected player is fully healed. This is where the usual strategy of only using shield/renew on a dps won't work.
Prophet Tharon'ja, also Drak'Tharon Keep: Puts a curse on a player that deals damage until removed or the player's health comes down to 50%. Don't heal them and be ready to heal them after they got down there if no mage or druid is around or can be bothered.
There are mobs or bosses that need some attention. Just wanted to point out that using your brain can save you quite a bit of spellpower and plenty of mana.
Knowing the fights and mobs and already expecting things will save you some stressful healing too. Some of the more notable are:
Spell Flingers in Ahn'Kahet (Old Kingdom): They have a nasty spell that reduces a player's health by a flat 50% if allowed to go off. It's wise to set your focus on those so you see whom they are targeting and whether or not they get interrupted. That way you have your heal ready to go.
King Dred in Drak'Tharon Keep: He dishes out a nasty bleed effect that won't stop until the affected player is fully healed. This is where the usual strategy of only using shield/renew on a dps won't work.
Prophet Tharon'ja, also Drak'Tharon Keep: Puts a curse on a player that deals damage until removed or the player's health comes down to 50%. Don't heal them and be ready to heal them after they got down there if no mage or druid is around or can be bothered.
There are mobs or bosses that need some attention. Just wanted to point out that using your brain can save you quite a bit of spellpower and plenty of mana.
Mathew, your post prompted me to publish a spreadsheet I have on Google Docs that helps quite a bit with holy priest gear progression. It is located here.
It has helped me gear up considerably and use my limited time well.
The spreadsheet is created based off of a sticky post in the WoW forums.
It has helped me gear up considerably and use my limited time well.
The spreadsheet is created based off of a sticky post in the WoW forums.
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Well, quite a bit really depends on the group composition and attitude. Having somebody decursing/depoisoning is making a HUGE difference. You probably won't get that with people who only care about their position on Recount.
This is just so true. You can get away with so much more if the group knows their roles and understands the concept of teamwork. While leveling I did all my ionstances specced shadow but healing. Most of the time I ran with a balance druid who really knew her stuff. In runs with her nothing ever seemed to go wrong because when the s... hit the fan she would immediately switch out and drop some heals, or cleanse poisons, or whatever else was needed.
We also had a regular tank who really knew his stuff and as a result we could often get away with running instances several levels higher than us.
With a standard PuG so many of the runs we did would have been far more difficult if not outright impossible.
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Mathew, your post prompted me to publish a spreadsheet I have on Google Docs that helps quite a bit with holy priest gear progression. It is located here.
Thank you so much , this will help tons with finding gear .
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