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#1 Jan 16 2009 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Everyone,

I have been trolling the boards for about 2 weeks now trying to find all I can to decide on whether I want to play a Lock or Druid. I am leaning more and more to druid and started the process of leveling my first ever druid (Horde on Akama) as well as a BE Lock on same server.

Please understand that I have been away for over a year thanks to work and travel, so I do not have WotLK and I only have ever really played on Bonechewer a lvl 70 priest and rogue as well as getting a pally up to the mid 50's.

So I am seeing a lot of confusion on the boards currently as to what is best for a Druid to play currently due to changes from recent patches. As I am only currently lvl 16 druid I know I have a ways to go, but I like to play the toon the way I plan them to end up. It can be slower at times, but makes me ready for higher level content even at lower levels or gear.

So to the point finally... My plan prior to reading through all of this was to create a Feral Tank... and still leaning towards that. I realize that while solo'ing I will be kitty most of the time, but I want to learn how to tank as a druid. However, there seems to be the consensus that Bears are limited to near dead for end game.

So does it make sense for me to stay feral and go Boomkin at or around 40 (knowing that I want to practice being my end game; game.) or stay feral as there have been comments alluding that Bears will get fixed in a near patch. In terms of guild and so forth... not worrying about it too much for now until I get to the 60's plus unless something comes up. It makes little difference to me as I would like to play something besides a healer as 2 of my mains or strictly dps as my other.

Any thoughts on the future of the game would be appreciated and thanks ahead of time to all of you consistent posters who have put alot of info out there. I have not seen notes about the pending changes though as that would help my decision... as stated, I only see it alluded to often enough.

Appreciate all your help...
#2 Jan 16 2009 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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WhiskeyDuck wrote:
I am seeing a lot of confusion on the boards currently as to what is best for a Druid to play currently due to changes from recent patches


All druid roles are still extremely viable and good for end game. The tanking patches that are upcoming just mean that I have extra gear in my bags I am saving to use until then. Bear tanks are rarer mainly due to the tree being sub-divided and buffs to DPS both feral and Boomkin making them more attractive.

All the changes are in the future and as such while you should be aware of them, please don't gear for them now or act like they are if effect. You will just gimp yourself that way. I have several items that will be huge upgrades when the patch hits but due to current pre-patch armor modifiers are for now downgrades. I mean replacing a 70 blue with an 80 epic level. I can't wait to change this piece of gear but I like the armor on the blue.

I would still think feral would be fastest to level as your combat energy source isn't the same as your healing, one reducing to eliminating down time. Either way feral can be slow til cat form and really catches fire with Mangle. I am kind of starting to mess around with a tauren druid that I plan on keeping balance but have little time to devote to him as I am focused on getting my guildies geared up to raid and trying to run the raids we aren't doing now so as to be able to lead the guild through them later.

A leveling guild can be nice to be in but honestly guilds don't become very important until closer to the cap.

As for soloing cat, I actually stay in bear form a good deal with this x-pac. I just pull a huge pack of mobs and mow them down. I do go cat when it is just 1 mob as then bear doesn't have the rage to kill fast enough. Both methods work just fine.

Check mmo-champion for changes. They also have very up to date talent calculators with glyphs.

/ramble off
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#3 Jan 16 2009 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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I too am leveling a low lvl druid, so I don't speak from experience of the class.
But it seems that some consider the talk of bears not cutting the mustard as false or at leas wildly exaggerated.

I can though speak from experience of how the masses can be dead wrong when it comes to specs.
My warlock was in a hardcore raiding guild in BC and I raided BT with a Fel Guard spec.
A spec that was considered "unplayable" in raids by a vast majority, even among warlocks.
In my own experience however, I found the spec not only playable but very powerful, and a lot of fun.

I too intend to play bear :)

Edited, Jan 16th 2009 11:22pm by pompa
#4 Jan 16 2009 at 2:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hello and Welcome back.

Realize when there is bear tanking talk, it mostly eludes to end game tanking. Also that Blizzard will make it's changes and tweaks to any and every class with the mind set that it's for level 80 adventures, since at some point we all end up there. So, for leveling purposes things haven't really changed. Feral is still the best leveling spec because of little to no down time and full mana bars to fix yourself in between.

The biggest change to druids in Wrath was to give the Feral tree a viable DPS spec, or Tank spec (all within one tree, so it sort of bloated). Creating more cat-centric or bear-centric druids.. which honestly were around already. This has only widened the gap.

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So does it make sense for me to stay feral and go Boomkin at or around 40 (knowing that I want to practice being my end game; game.) or stay feral as there have been comments alluding that Bears will get fixed in a near patch.


Both are viable, so that's really up to you and your play style. If your desire is to end feral I'm not really sure why you'd hop to Moonkin other then just playing as a different spec, to see another side of the coin.

As for Bears getting "fix'd", they arn't really broken now. Tanks in general had some rather large changes going into Wrath so Blizzard is still playing with us. BUT for upcoming changes to this and every class, you can always check the PTR patch notes >>WoW PTR Patch Notes<< or head over to MMO Champion as they also keep very up to date.
#5 Jan 19 2009 at 5:03 AM Rating: Good
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Welcome back, I think you'll enjoy playing a Druid. I love it. I leveled my Druid as Feral and at 80 I'm still Feral. Prior to the expansion I DPS'd as kitty, but when the expansion hit I decided to switch to tank. So as I leveled I built up my tank gear. I didn't have any problems tanking in the end game, although due to the large number of tanks in my guild I'm back to DPS'ing as kitty.

Feral tanks have a place in end game so if thats what you want to play go for it. From my understanding to successfully tank Malygos you have to have a Druid. I haven't run this yet, just what I've heard.

As Housemouth mentioned, I too have switched into bear form, grabbed a bunch of mobs and mowed them down. Great way to farm for leather.
#6 Jan 22 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Here's a question for the more experienced druids out there as well.

I'm currently spec'd feral for soloing (level 49 druid), but I am the healer for our 5-man instance run guild group. So far, no problems really. I don't expect to have any through all of vanilla content either. I do have a set of "healing" gear that I wear when doing so.

But I'm wondering if I should respec to resto for TBC content, or will a feral spec (with healing gear) be sufficient to heal a 5-man group through TBC non-heroic instances? Our group actually has lots of spare healing, so the whole burden is not on my shoulders (assuming the group stays as it is currently). Group composition is...

Pally (Prot) tank
Druid (Feral) healer
Shaman (Elemental) dps
Priest (Shadow) dps
Mage (fire) dps

Heck, for that matter, let's carry it forward into Wotlk 5-man (non-heroic) instances. Would this work for leveling up there as well? I have no problems specing into resto, but just not sure when would be the best time. Thanks for the input!

Edited, Jan 22nd 2009 9:38am by Dosgamer

Edited, Jan 22nd 2009 9:38am by Dosgamer
#7 Jan 22 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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If your healing set is kept up to date, almost as much as your solo set, you should be fine for BC instances, and probably WotLK too though I haven't done a lot of those so I can't say for sure.

There may be a few fights that will be more challenging because of that, but you should be able to pull it off, especially if the Elem Shammy throws a heal or two every once in a while.

That being said, if you think you'll be spending most of your leveling time in instances or group-questing, going Resto isn't a bad idea. If you'll solo even just half the time I'd say stay Feral, or maybe Balance since a few talents will also benefit healing.
#8 Jan 22 2009 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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I agree. I healed a few of the TBC instances as a Feral dpec'd druid with a healing set. I haven't done much healing since WotLK though. If your going to do this make sure you keep your healing gear topped off.
#9 Jan 22 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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If you know you are going to be consistently healing the same static group but stay feral for solo purposes, looking into grabbing Intensity and Naturalist .

After Mangle of course.
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#10 Jan 22 2009 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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OP, keep in mind that when people talk about there being a feral tank and dps tree, the difference there comes down to only 9-12 talent points. So not until 70 will you really have to pick a path. You have lots of freedom to play around with all the various glories of druidom, with the caveats that feral is the quickest leveling, balance doesn't come into its own until after 40 and tanks and healers always have the easiest time getting into groups. (Though a boomkin can heal any regular instance.) Enjoy.
#11 Jan 23 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the great responses! I think I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. It may work well at first but get progressively more difficult. If so, then I'll see if I can find a spec that works well. I do (if you're curious to know) solo at least half of my time online, so being able to solo efficiently is important. Thanks!
#12 Jan 23 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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To everyone,

Thanks for the input and Druid is definitely going to be my new main. Just recently did a WC run at level 18 and I was the only healing class in the PUG. So I volunteer to be the healer obviously. Half way through the run the tank and the lock dropped out. I took over the tanking job and with a level 20 mage, lvl 17 mage, and a newly invited lvl 17 hunter, we proceeded to complete the entire instance with me acting as initial aggro magnet (tank) and then flipping to healer half way through so both mages could drop AOE's and mass damage. It was the quickest half run I have ever seen or done.

I will admit that the Hunter's Boar was a huge help as it was receiving all the sleep spells for the rest of the instance, but it was fun running an instance with a 4 man group and actually having to work hard due to being the tank and healer, plus the fact that I was able to.

I have since hit the low 20's and having the cat form is amazing how fast you can take out a single target (rogue is still faster, but I have been away a while...) and based on what some of you stated, I am now just gathering 3 - 5 like level or less and mowing them down in bear form, bandage, and repeat. Why did I not roll a Druid 3 years ago... my bad...

Regardless, thank you everyone for some of you insight and further clarifications.
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