Hey guys,
I just completed underbog at level 67 for those 2 quests, Lost in Action and Black stalker.
Im 67 blood specced tauren death knight i use (51/13/7) build and did it with a 62 frost specced orc DK.
about somewhere in the middle of the dungeon he showed his damage meters and he was like a 10% above me.
While i normally do the most dmg so i was kinda dissapointed there, he doesnt use a dual wield build.
I can remember his build but my question his how could he out DPS me? there wasnt much big difference in the gear.
The only reasons i can come up with is that he uses Pestilence and bloodboil all the time.
His howling blasts damage all enemies within 10 yards and im guessing that they will be all criticals.
From the Killing machine and Rime (no rune costs) he probarly used Death and decay also all the time.
My rotation is just IT>PlagueStrike>HS>HS>OB then i dump my death coils. But i just never use Blood boil and Pestilence.
i know my single target DPS is the highest. I know frost is all about tanking and burst DPS but does this include out dpsing a blood DK on thrash mobs ? he uses this build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jZGxxthxzohoVost
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well, without seeing his rotations or gear, all i can by is that you said he uses pestilence and blood boil. those two are probably the reason why he is ahead in overall damage. my guess is that when there are groups of mobs, what is probably happening is this:
Icy touch -> plague strike -> pestilence (all the mobs around now have 2 diseases on them) -> blood boil (causes the diseases to erupt and the mobs all take damage).
Icy touch -> plague strike -> pestilence (all the mobs around now have 2 diseases on them) -> blood boil (causes the diseases to erupt and the mobs all take damage).
C'mon. The guy blasts everything in the zip code with moderately powerful aoe attacks and you wonder why his overall damage tops yours?
You're trying to compare apples and oranges. I'm sure you blow him out of the water on single target dps.
You're trying to compare apples and oranges. I'm sure you blow him out of the water on single target dps.
For Frost AoE I've found it best to use: Icy Touch, Blood Strike (to give the tank a GCD to build threat), Pest, Howling Blast, then OB/FS dump. Works great.
If you're looking at overall damage through the run, Blood will likely lag behind Frost just a bit with all the AoE pulls. And especially at that level where weapon scale is wonky and Blood wouldn't get the full benefit of better weapons.
If you're looking at overall damage through the run, Blood will likely lag behind Frost just a bit with all the AoE pulls. And especially at that level where weapon scale is wonky and Blood wouldn't get the full benefit of better weapons.
Thats one of the big down falls of blood you lack any real good AoE. Its one of the resones I respeced to frost.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
PiMpStIcKone wrote:
Thats one of the big down falls of blood you lack any real good AoE. Its one of the resones I respeced to frost.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
Have you compared it to blood and unholy? Or you just giving your one-sided experiences?
PiMpStIcKone
well, as of right now, there really is not a 'tank' spec. the talents that are recommended for tanking are:
blade barrier - 1st tier in blood
toughness - 1st tier in frost
anticipation - 1st tier n unholy
after those three, the next talents that are highly recommended for tanking are EITHER:
unbreakable armor - 35 pts in frost
or
bone shield - 35 pts in unholy
the general thoughts are that bone shield is a bit better, but that will probably change with the upcoming patch that will reduce its effectiveness. I think there is a general misconception that since frost presence is use for tanking obviously talents in frost must be for tanking, right? wrong.
yes, blood does lack aoe when compared to frost or unholy. frost gets howling blast, a nice little aoe for targets that the person is facing. unholy, well, that is really the aoe talent build, stronger diseases, another disease, etc, etc.
in the end, as long as the person enjoys what they are doing, let them play how they want to. as far as frost goes, there is a flavor of the month talent build with it and unholy.
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Thats one of the big down falls of blood you lack any real good AoE. Its one of the resones I respeced to frost.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
well, as of right now, there really is not a 'tank' spec. the talents that are recommended for tanking are:
blade barrier - 1st tier in blood
toughness - 1st tier in frost
anticipation - 1st tier n unholy
after those three, the next talents that are highly recommended for tanking are EITHER:
unbreakable armor - 35 pts in frost
or
bone shield - 35 pts in unholy
the general thoughts are that bone shield is a bit better, but that will probably change with the upcoming patch that will reduce its effectiveness. I think there is a general misconception that since frost presence is use for tanking obviously talents in frost must be for tanking, right? wrong.
yes, blood does lack aoe when compared to frost or unholy. frost gets howling blast, a nice little aoe for targets that the person is facing. unholy, well, that is really the aoe talent build, stronger diseases, another disease, etc, etc.
in the end, as long as the person enjoys what they are doing, let them play how they want to. as far as frost goes, there is a flavor of the month talent build with it and unholy.
MentalFrog wrote:
PiMpStIcKone wrote:
Thats one of the big down falls of blood you lack any real good AoE. Its one of the resones I respeced to frost.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
Have you compared it to blood and unholy? Or you just giving your one-sided experiences?
Its not one sided at all I have spet a few 100 gold on respecs to play with diferent builds.
Yeah single target blood with pull ahead but not by a ton. AoE unholy wins hands down. Frost seems to be a nice blend of both.
All I was realy geting at is frost is alot stronger in dps than ppl give it credit for.
PiMpStIcKone wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
PiMpStIcKone wrote:
Thats one of the big down falls of blood you lack any real good AoE. Its one of the resones I respeced to frost.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
If you ask me though frosts ability to pump out dps is realy under rated. Every one sees frost as the tank spec and the lowest dps spec of dk. Though I may be speced more on the dps side of frost instead of tanking I find my single target dps is rather good. Im 63 atm and have had FSs crit for 1900+ and all of my main dmg attacks are runing around a 30% crit rate.
May be at 80 frost falls way behind blood and unholy but at my lvl I seem to be doing just fine.
Have you compared it to blood and unholy? Or you just giving your one-sided experiences?
Its not one sided at all I have spet a few 100 gold on respecs to play with diferent builds.
Yeah single target blood with pull ahead but not by a ton. AoE unholy wins hands down. Frost seems to be a nice blend of both.
All I was realy geting at is frost is alot stronger in dps than ppl give it credit for.
Usually when people do comparisons they post all their findings, not just one.
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I totally lol'd at this, and I don't know why.
Frost is nasty dps, but you are required to have a nice rotation that allows you to spam Howling Blast whenever it's up. Accompanied by some nice crit gear, you'll be pulling off 8-10k Howling Blasts now that Killing Machine procs off regular swings now opposed to crits.
I'm still a blood person for the simple fact as after each battle I end it with almost full health. Sometimes full. By the time I reach the next group of mobs my health is full. And I don't aoe but can fight multiple mobs with ease. Just use frost touch,plague strike,heart strike, pestilence, then blood boil. Pretty easy is you ask me. With rune tap and blood worms. Therion you still blood specced or you frost now?
Haven't been blood since beta apart from an afternoon testing it in 3.08. Blood tends to remain fully healed most of the time, true. But while soloing I have seen no major issues with the health pool as Frost or Unholy at all to be honest. In the end we have 3 talent trees that all solo more or less pretty damn well. Play what you like.
At level 78, I did three dungeons with a level 80 Blood spec with mostly epics, his weapon was an epic pole arm. I am frost spec. All three of the dungeons I out DPSd the Blood specd DK. I was pulling around 1450 while he was putting out a modest 1100. IT>PT>HB>FS>HB>FS. That was my simple rotation.
Carmeliens wrote:
At level 78, I did three dungeons with a level 80 Blood spec with mostly epics, his weapon was an epic pole arm. I am frost spec. All three of the dungeons I out DPSd the Blood specd DK. I was pulling around 1450 while he was putting out a modest 1100. IT>PT>HB>FS>HB>FS. That was my simple rotation.
Then he's terrible?
Anyone doing 1100 DPS at 80 (roughly half of what my rogue was doing at 70) is pretty terrible.
~3 weeks ago i was around 3k dps as blood. I have better gear now so it should be higher.
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