Hello guys, im new here
And yesterday i started a new blood elf paladin.
Convinced i was going Ret im now rolled over to protection.
Because theres just more need in tanking and healing in an instance then DPSing.
Through i will use this mainly for solo-ing i just go to instances for quests.
Specially with all the Deathknights now days, and i already got some experience in playing a ret pala.
I've ofcourse readed Loise his sticky about the protection paladin and based off there i made a variation of it.
Coming up with this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVAcugtcIRhoxf0t
The reason why i left out Ardent Defender and Judgement of the Just is:
1: i think i wont going much under 35% and probarly its already to late anyways (but i still think its a cool talent)
2: the reducing of 20% enemy melee attack speed would not be good for my reckoning and it affects just 1 target (does this work on bosses to anyway?)
And yes i just like to having somewhat of a DPS burst ability (for the casters and such).
Thats why the SoC and Improved hammer of justice.
But.. i still think having Conviction like in Loise his thread is just a wild card i wouldnt mind to much being it swapped to Ardent Defender for example. And what about Spiritual focus is that still any good for a prot pally?.
I like this build ive come up with, i didnt find Teh eternal popular pally spec anywhere.
Maybe ive missed something over the head completely like i said i dont got any experience playing a prot pally.
So im just assuming i just use blessing of sanc whole the time and SoC for solo-ing but what seal i use in dungeons ?.
i hope a experienced prot player can shine some light on my ideas :D.
BTW is it better to go first 11 points in Ret for SoC for leveling or just getting Holy shield asap for multiple mob grinding ?.
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While leveling, you can get away with pretty much anything, to be honest. I had a similar spec and went so far as to put a full 3 points into Crusade. The DPS was great and extra threat came with the DPS, too, of course but even now that I've gone to a more traditional prot/main tank spec, threat is not an issue.
I'm not sure what level you are but I wouldn't sweat your talent spec too much until the mid-30s. I may even go so far as to recommend a ret spec until the later levels when you start getting into the meat of Prot talents. That said, I've been prot since level 10 and haven't regretted it at all. It's a game, don't sweat the decisions too much but try different things and stick with what suits you best.
I'm not sure what level you are but I wouldn't sweat your talent spec too much until the mid-30s. I may even go so far as to recommend a ret spec until the later levels when you start getting into the meat of Prot talents. That said, I've been prot since level 10 and haven't regretted it at all. It's a game, don't sweat the decisions too much but try different things and stick with what suits you best.
Your build should be fine up to level 80 non-heroic dungeons. Once you cross the boundary into heroics/raids, Ardent Defender is pretty much a must have.
Seal of Vengeance is the seal of choice for tanking these days. It doesn't do much more damage than Seal of the Righteous by itself, but the bonus you get to Judgement damage on targets with a full stack from the seal is not bad, and it helps with multi-mob tanking because your Hammer of the Righteous will apply the seal to all targets it hits, meaning that each time it ticks on your second and third target, you're getting that much more threat without having to target/hit them directly.
If you're AoE grinding, one mob out of the group with their attack speed slowed isn't going to affect Reckoning all that much. I'm not sure the exact procs per minute on Reckoning, but unless you're fighting mainly casters you'll be taking plenty of hits. Solo grinding as prot is an exercise in hair pulling...save plenty of bag space for water if that's what you end up doing.
There's lots of room to have fun with specs while leveling. It's not until you get into more demanding content that a more refined, focused build becomes important.
Seal of Vengeance is the seal of choice for tanking these days. It doesn't do much more damage than Seal of the Righteous by itself, but the bonus you get to Judgement damage on targets with a full stack from the seal is not bad, and it helps with multi-mob tanking because your Hammer of the Righteous will apply the seal to all targets it hits, meaning that each time it ticks on your second and third target, you're getting that much more threat without having to target/hit them directly.
If you're AoE grinding, one mob out of the group with their attack speed slowed isn't going to affect Reckoning all that much. I'm not sure the exact procs per minute on Reckoning, but unless you're fighting mainly casters you'll be taking plenty of hits. Solo grinding as prot is an exercise in hair pulling...save plenty of bag space for water if that's what you end up doing.
There's lots of room to have fun with specs while leveling. It's not until you get into more demanding content that a more refined, focused build becomes important.
Zomgimmune wrote:
The reason why i left out Ardent Defender and Judgement of the Just is:
1: i think i wont going much under 35% and probarly its already to late anyways (but i still think its a cool talent)
2: the reducing of 20% enemy melee attack speed would not be good for my reckoning and it affects just 1 target (does this work on bosses to anyway?)
1: i think i wont going much under 35% and probarly its already to late anyways (but i still think its a cool talent)
2: the reducing of 20% enemy melee attack speed would not be good for my reckoning and it affects just 1 target (does this work on bosses to anyway?)
If you get into Heroics/raids at 80 as a tank, you're going to want to put those 2 talents back in. I don't know if this is something you are thinking of or not, seeing how you said "use this mostly for soloing" and you just do instances to quest, but if you do gonna want these. I was already hooked on Ardent Defender (less damage at critical moments in a fight? yes please), but I'm even more convinced having installed the Tankadin addon and seeing just how often it does go off. Sometimes I'll see 3 times in a row that AD saved me from death while me healer is slept, feared, whatever the case may be.
As for an attack speed reduction being unfriendly to Reckoning: again, if you do any "serious" content as Prot, you really won't want Reckoning anyway, so at that point this talent is a must grab. Anything to help you take less/more manageable damage is a plus imo. Reckoning will proc less and less the better your avoidance gets, and boss parries can be an issue with the extra attacks.
For leveling and solo play though, I don't see anything wrong with this idea.
Zomgimmune wrote:
And yes i just like to having somewhat of a DPS burst ability (for the casters and such).
Thats why the SoC and Improved hammer of justice.
Thats why the SoC and Improved hammer of justice.
Again, nothing wrong here from a leveling standpoint except for one thing: SoC only works well with a slow 2H, and with so many points in Prot you will not get much use out of a 2H. SoC and Prot talents do not mix so honestly you are much better off just using SoR (or Corruption when you get it) rather than trying to make Command work.
Zomgimmune wrote:
And what about Spiritual focus is that still any good for a prot pally?.
Still? It never was. At least, not in any serious build. Especially now that spells can only be pushed back twice you should not be needing this as a Prot Paly.
Zomgimmune wrote:
So im just assuming i just use blessing of sanc whole the time and SoC for solo-ing but what seal i use in dungeons ?.
i hope a experienced prot player can shine some light on my ideas :D.
BTW is it better to go first 11 points in Ret for SoC for leveling or just getting Holy shield asap for multiple mob grinding ?.
i hope a experienced prot player can shine some light on my ideas :D.
BTW is it better to go first 11 points in Ret for SoC for leveling or just getting Holy shield asap for multiple mob grinding ?.
Sanctuary as soon as you get it, yes. This is the only Blessing I use on myself now unless a group wiped and I am running back, then I throw Wisdom on myself so my mana can regen as I run ;)
Righteousness for solo and dungeons imo. When you get higher level, switch to Corruption (again, for solo and dungeons). 1H + SoC do not mix well.
Which talents to get first totally depends on you. Personally if I were going to level as Prot with AOE in mind, I'd a) go straight for Holy Shield or b) start down Ret and then respec at the first level I could get Holy Shield.
That will work.
I don't know if Seal of Command is really needed? But no big deal.
For leveling I put a few more points into Ret too.
You don't need all the defense stuff when you are lvl'ing. My suggestion is to take as much +Damage as you can get. You want to kill quick in solo (Unless you are AOE grinding, but you're not so...)
When you enter instances you'll produce a lot of threat and, with common sense and reasonable tanking gear you should be fine on damage mitigation.
When you get to Heroics and you need more defense to avoid crits - that's when you truly need to spec for a pure tanking build.
(By the way - You don't NEED 535 Def to do a heroic. Is it a good idea? Yes. But 535 Def is not "Do-or-Die". Most entry heroics can be done with slightly less so long as you have a good healer. Don't go in there wearing crap, but I had a guildie pull off 517 run through H.Nex. And I myself dropped to 529 for a H. VH run. I wanted to try out the Epic Plate pants that dropped from H.UK's last boss.)
I don't know if Seal of Command is really needed? But no big deal.
For leveling I put a few more points into Ret too.
You don't need all the defense stuff when you are lvl'ing. My suggestion is to take as much +Damage as you can get. You want to kill quick in solo (Unless you are AOE grinding, but you're not so...)
When you enter instances you'll produce a lot of threat and, with common sense and reasonable tanking gear you should be fine on damage mitigation.
When you get to Heroics and you need more defense to avoid crits - that's when you truly need to spec for a pure tanking build.
(By the way - You don't NEED 535 Def to do a heroic. Is it a good idea? Yes. But 535 Def is not "Do-or-Die". Most entry heroics can be done with slightly less so long as you have a good healer. Don't go in there wearing crap, but I had a guildie pull off 517 run through H.Nex. And I myself dropped to 529 for a H. VH run. I wanted to try out the Epic Plate pants that dropped from H.UK's last boss.)
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