PvE MutilateFollow

My guild recently told me that they wanted me to go Mutilate for the so-called DPS boost. I was 0/50/21 before and doing about 980-1100 DPS. I respec'd to this Spec.
I tested it on the Heroic Training Dummy in Silvermoon. The highest I got my DPS was about 860. I was using a 2s/4r. Idk if I'm playing the build wrong or what but my guild said I need to be doing about 1800+ DPS for Naxx. Thanks for the help.

I unfortunately have neither the skill or experience to help you directly, so I point you to a more qualified source

"This is intended to be an all-encompassing guide to the common questions people have about mutilate rogues. If you have comments or suggestions, please leave a friendly reply and I'll add in your comment with a citation so everyone knows how smart you are.

F.A.Q.

What's a good PvE mutilate build?

This is the generally accepted build for PvE mutilate:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ef0exoVboIzAo0xV0hZxb

Here is an alternate build with Vigor and Fleet Footed (instead of Murder, which isn't useful for Naxxramas). If you don't want Vigor, put the extra point in Ruthlessness:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0gfoegoV0oIzAo0xV0hZxb

What's a good PvP mutilate build?

There are many variations on this spec, most of which are still 41/5/25. The following is what I use:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhxcoeMoirofzZ0xZebfb0hdb

What daggers should I use for PvE mutilate?

Generally, you want to use faster daggers. This leads to a few things: more poison procs, and more Focused Attacks procs. Although your mutilates will hit for less than if you were using slow daggers, the DPS loss from this is more than made up for by having extra energy and poisoning the enemy more often. A great starter weapon is the Librarian's Paper Cutter (abbreviated LPC), which is 1.3 speed and is generally considered the best mutilate PvE dagger until Naxx/heroic weapons. It can be bought on the auction house for around 100g, depending on your server.

What daggers should I use for PvP mutilate?

This depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want to take people down quickly (burst), lean towards slower daggers. Your mutilates will hit harder, and although your overall DPS may be lower, you have a better chance of taking someone down in a short time period. If you are looking for sustained damage, use faster daggers - just like you would in PvE. Faster daggers = less burst, but more damage over time due to Focused Attacks and poison procs.

The "best" PvP mutilate daggers are currently Sinister Revenge (25 man Kel'Thuzad, Naxxramas) and Murder (25 man Sapphiron, Naxxramas).

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40386
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40368

What glyphs should I use?

There has been a lot of debate about this. I'll tell you what I use, and what your options are.

PvE Major: Slice and Dice + Rupture, then 1 of your choice.
PvP Major: Vigor + Preparation + Eviscerate, assuming a 41/5/25 spec.
Minor: None of these are "necessary" per se, but they can be useful at times. Blurred Speed, Vanish (debatable), Pick Pocket

How much of X stat do I need?

Hit rating:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhxcoeMoirofzZ0xZebfb0hdb
All others:
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t37183-pocket_guide_wotlk/

What poisons should I use for PvE? PvP?

PvE: Deadly/Instant
PvP: Wound/Mind Numbing, but it's situational. If you are not fighting a caster and have time to switch poisons, go with Wound/Wound. This allows for maximum poison damage while simultaneously applying Crippling Poison thanks to Deadly Brew.

What rotation should I use for PvE?

This is covered very well in the Elitist Jerks WotLK Pocket Guide (linked above), but I will give an abridged version here:

Get Hunger for Blood to 3 stacks before engaging the enemy.
Open with Garrote (if stealthed) or Mutilate if unstealthed, regardless of whether the mob is poisoned.
At this point you will have between 1-3 combo points. Slice and Dice.
Mutilate to 4-5 combo points.
Envenom (resets Slice and Dice to 5 point maximum)
Mutilate to 4-5 combo points.
Rupture
Mutilate to 4-5 combo points.
Envenom
Etc.

Make sure that Hunger for Blood does not fade. If it does, it will take 90 energy to get back to 3 stacks, which is a LOT of lost DPS. Priority #1 is HfB, #2 is Slice and Dice, #3 is Rupture/Envenom. Remember this and you're one step closer to having a good mutilate rotation.

What trinkets should I shoot for?

The best rogue trinkets right now are Fury of the Five Flights (25 man Sartharion), Darkmoon Card: Greatness (Nobles Deck), and Mirror of Truth.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40431
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44253
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40684

What gems should I use?

GENERAL ADVICE:
For red slots, Agility and Attack Power are pretty much equal. For yellow slots, below poison hit cap, go with Glinting, otherwise go with Agility/Crit (Deadly Monarch or better). For blue, Agi/Stam (Shifting Twilight Opal or better). Remember, this is assuming that you need blue/yellow for your meta slot, or the socket bonus is worth getting. If the socket bonus isn't worthwhile - for instance, stamina or dodge rating - just stack Agility or Attack Power gems.

What enchants should I use?

Chest: +Stats
Gloves: +Attack Power
Shoulders: Sons of Hodir Exalted Inscription (AP/Crit)
Legs: Icescale (AP/Crit)
Belt: Belt Buckle (extra socket)
Cloak: +Agility
Helm: Ebon Blade Revered (AP/Crit)
Boots: Icewalker (Crit/Hit)
Bracers: +Attack Power

Weapons
Main hand: Berserking
Offhand: Mongoose

Some people argue that Berserking is better on both weapons, which may be true. The argument on the other side is that Mongoose is considerably cheaper, and the difference between the 2 is no more than ~10 dps, not to mention the PvP downside of having reduced armor.

Does Glyph of Sap (+10 seconds to Sap) work in PvP?

No. It is fully functional in PvE, but adds nothing to Sap's duration against other players.

What attacks can Focused Attacks proc from?

Any melee critical strike, including those from special attacks (Mutilate, Envenom, etc). It will not proc from poison crits.

Tricks of the Trade seems like a nifty ability. Who should I use it on?

If you don't foresee aggro being a problem, put it on your top DPS'er - it can't be used on yourself, and transfers ALL of your threat to the target for the next 6 seconds, but increases the damage they do by 15%. With only a 30 second cooldown, this can be a big DPS upgrade for your group or raid. I generally put it on other rogues, and they put it on me so our threat transfer "cancels out".

What's the point of Fan of Knives? The damage is pitiful.

While the damage isn't great, it's a very useful tool for getting other rogues out of stealth (and also for throwing in some AoE damage on trash mobs). If you see a rogue stealth while you're fighting someone else, you can pop it and get them out of stealth so they can't open on you - this is especially true in arenas!"


This guide was shamelessly ripped from Cruisington of Illidan server from the O-boards. Make sure you're following the right dps rotation.

If you are lvl 80 and can't run 1500 dps in quest blues then something is wrong. Majorly wrong.

Your spec is not good. Follow the 51/13/7, make sure to keep HfB up, you'll learn where and when it fits in your rotation. To poorly quote Therion... "Mutilate has no set rotation!" It does, however, require more attention then traditional combat swords, meaning a drop in HfB or letting SnD drop (which shouldn't happen with Cut to the Chase...ever will result in a large chunk of lost DPS. I put out about 2k on dummys now, but fully raid buffed can maintain over 2500 dps, and I'm in half quest blues still.

All in all, my 70 lock in greens could put out 800 dps. Change your spec and practice, you should see a huge difference.