First, the situation. My guild is attempting 3-drake Sartharion for the second week starting with today's raid reset. We have had some solid attempts so far, but haven't been able to pull it all together. 2-drake was no big deal once we ended for the night last night (it's really just 1-drake twice since there's no overlap).
My specific question, however, is on the viability of making some changes for AoE tanking (elementals and whelps are my job). I'm having issues with losing one or two elementals and having to wait on whelp AoE for quite a while to guarantee that I don't have Mind Searing priests and Hurricane boomkins getting swarmed. The constant movement to avoid waves, void zones, and pick up new adds makes it hard to keep the group in a consecrate for more than a few ticks.
Would a spell power weapon with a spell power enchant and a pair of gloves enchanted with Armsman be a worthwhile tradeoff for a small loss in defense, avoidance, auto-attack, and HotR damage from the weapon (stam remains roughly the same) and the 15 str or 20 agi enchants on gloves. Armsman is regarded as the poor-man's glove enchant due to the greater single-target threat of str and better avoidance of agi, but considering ShoR doesn't do much with 10-12 mobs on me, I'm thinking those two would make a bit of difference.
Any insight from other prot pallies who have been on adds duty in 3-drake and any changes you've made to make it easier to keep control during the key part of the fight for adds (whelps phase)?
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For one, why would Armsman be seen as less than 15 Str? My ShoR hits for 3k. It has a base modifier of 1.5% threat, and then 1.9% from RF. So my base threat from ShoR is 8550. 2% of that is +171 threat. 15 Str is around 12 block value, or +30 damage, +85.5 threat.
But yes, a spell damage weapon with a spell power enchant would help out with consecrate. A weapon with 500 total spellpower instead of 25 Str would increase the consecrate threat by around 36 per target per second. I just don't know if that would be enough. It used to be nearly 100% coefficient for spell power, but now it's a measly 32%.
But yes, a spell damage weapon with a spell power enchant would help out with consecrate. A weapon with 500 total spellpower instead of 25 Str would increase the consecrate threat by around 36 per target per second. I just don't know if that would be enough. It used to be nearly 100% coefficient for spell power, but now it's a measly 32%.
I was messing around with spellpower weapons and consecrate the other day. It's a pretty trivial difference, but if you're looking to squeeze every little bit of threat you can, it might be worth it. Keep in mind that a spellpower weapon will boost threat from consecrate, but will heavily penalize threat from HotR.
Armsman as the poor man's glove enchant? ehhh...no. Armsman scales with gear. +str doesn't. Armsman also impacts your threat from all sources...strength improves threat on roughly half of our attacks (fewer than half vs. undead).
Armsman as the poor man's glove enchant? ehhh...no. Armsman scales with gear. +str doesn't. Armsman also impacts your threat from all sources...strength improves threat on roughly half of our attacks (fewer than half vs. undead).
Armsman is vastly superior for threat generation to either of the other enchants quoted. Vastly.
Ehcks' example only accounted for threat on ONE ABILITY and it was superior, Armsman goes for everything. Pushing 4000 TPS? Now you're pushing 4080 TPS. Okay -- it's not THAT simple, but for a very brief post where I don't want to go into any actual math -- that's good enough. WAY more than you'll get with the other enchants.
If this is something you learned at Elitist Jerks, consider that 70% of the information there is complete garbage.. the other 30% is gold, but the vast majority should be ignored by everyone.
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Edited, Jan 13th 2009 12:57pm by Losie
Ehcks' example only accounted for threat on ONE ABILITY and it was superior, Armsman goes for everything. Pushing 4000 TPS? Now you're pushing 4080 TPS. Okay -- it's not THAT simple, but for a very brief post where I don't want to go into any actual math -- that's good enough. WAY more than you'll get with the other enchants.
If this is something you learned at Elitist Jerks, consider that 70% of the information there is complete garbage.. the other 30% is gold, but the vast majority should be ignored by everyone.
EDIT: For Dyslexia in numbers
Edited, Jan 13th 2009 12:57pm by Losie
Well, I went with Armsman for my new threat gloves (240 armor on my EH set) and I think I'll stick with that as my primary tanking enchant given the numbers the better geared dps are starting to put out. For the weapon, I had been having bad luck with drops and using the sword from regular HoL. Last night I won the roll on Last Laugh in Naxx, so I can't see giving up that stam and avoidance for the minimal damage increase from consecrate.
Thanks for all the input, everyone. And as a side note, it was both EJ and Maintankadin where I read some theorycraft behind +str being better for overall threat than armsman. I'll have to reread it and see what the discrepancies are.
Thanks for all the input, everyone. And as a side note, it was both EJ and Maintankadin where I read some theorycraft behind +str being better for overall threat than armsman. I'll have to reread it and see what the discrepancies are.
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Armsman as the poor man's glove enchant? ehhh...no. Armsman scales with gear. +str doesn't. Armsman also impacts your threat from all sources...strength improves threat on roughly half of our attacks (fewer than half vs. undead).
+15 Str enchant increases threat on every ability we have as str=ap and last i checked every ability we have scales with both ap and sp. Raid buffed 1 str=2.5 ap so +15 str is aprox 37ap/12 block value.
Is it better threat than armsman? Maybe at lower lvls, but definitely not at naxx gear lvls. However, it is the best dps enchant for that slot while at the same time providing some mitigation. I prefer the +20 agi enchant myself, offers avoidance(.42% dodge), threat(.42% melee crit) and mitigation(44 armor). With the current SotR+JoL bugs, threat hasn't been an issue in any encounter thus far(Mt'ed 25man Malygos for guild 1st kill just the other night).
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