Looking at many of the posts and comments regarding MP5 is improved blessing of wisdom useful anymore for a healadin? Or are the two points spent elsewhere? Right now mine is 77 and quickly heading for 80. I plan on jumping on the heroic and 10-man band wagon as soon as humanely possible.
It seems to me its usefulness, at least as a healer, may not be as useful as it once was? Is this talent worth keeping? yes? no?
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Edited, Jan 9th 2009 4:15am by ekaterinodar
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I wouldn't say it's essential but it doesn't hurt. I generally use kings instead given the choice. I've taken it off my build which is a 51/5/15 and got kings for raid buffing.
That really depends on your group makeup.
Normally I'd say no, you'll want Kings for yourself and most others.
I actually have it because I regularly run with a few Boomkins who love it and we have a few Pally's in our 25 man group, so we usually have all the blessings going all the time.
Normally I'd say no, you'll want Kings for yourself and most others.
I actually have it because I regularly run with a few Boomkins who love it and we have a few Pally's in our 25 man group, so we usually have all the blessings going all the time.
In my 53/0/18, I get two of: Improved Concentration Aura 1/3->3/3, Improved LoH 0/2->2/2, Improved BoW 0/2->2/2. While mp5 is suboptimal for gearing, it's still useful, so it seems to me that IBoW is clearly the best of the three.
Since salvation became a Hand and not a Blessing, in many 10-man and I'd venture most all 25-man raids, everyone gets every applicable Blessing anyway, so someone might as well get the good version. And it makes sense that it be someone who doesn't have BoK. So I'd say take it if you don't have BoK, skip it if you do.
Since salvation became a Hand and not a Blessing, in many 10-man and I'd venture most all 25-man raids, everyone gets every applicable Blessing anyway, so someone might as well get the good version. And it makes sense that it be someone who doesn't have BoK. So I'd say take it if you don't have BoK, skip it if you do.
Yes, I skipped blessing of kings in favor of the 8% extra crit from Ret talents.
I'm tempted to put my remaining two points after maxing out SS in Pursuit of Justice. I've heard that in some encounters and especially pvp that 8%/15% run speed can be a life saver. I really not sure I want to waste my foot enchant on Tuskarr's Vitality.
This is my planned build.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxAzxRzhVuMxRtZVf0xbh
I rarely use Lay On Hands. Its not very often I let the tank get down that low. I usually long bubble and heal before that time. I usually only use it as a more mana efficient way of getting them out of the danger zone.
As for Improved Concentration Aura I can see how 10/20/30% reduction of silence effects might be useful in a raid situation, but I don't know right now if its worth the investment. Most silence effects don't last more than 5 seconds so it seems like that is a pretty small percentage to shave off. Sure in a crisis it isn't, but from most of the encounters I've been in if I keep control over the situation I don't need to worry about it.
I feel I've picked the must have talents from holy and ret and right now I'm stuck with a bunch of "don't really needs, but would be nice" talents and its a matter of deciding which ones will be the "nicest" for my play style.
I'm tempted to put my remaining two points after maxing out SS in Pursuit of Justice. I've heard that in some encounters and especially pvp that 8%/15% run speed can be a life saver. I really not sure I want to waste my foot enchant on Tuskarr's Vitality.
This is my planned build.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxAzxRzhVuMxRtZVf0xbh
I rarely use Lay On Hands. Its not very often I let the tank get down that low. I usually long bubble and heal before that time. I usually only use it as a more mana efficient way of getting them out of the danger zone.
As for Improved Concentration Aura I can see how 10/20/30% reduction of silence effects might be useful in a raid situation, but I don't know right now if its worth the investment. Most silence effects don't last more than 5 seconds so it seems like that is a pretty small percentage to shave off. Sure in a crisis it isn't, but from most of the encounters I've been in if I keep control over the situation I don't need to worry about it.
I feel I've picked the must have talents from holy and ret and right now I'm stuck with a bunch of "don't really needs, but would be nice" talents and its a matter of deciding which ones will be the "nicest" for my play style.
A lot of this is situational. If you are raiding and there are other pallies that are going to be in your raid then you should coordinate with them. We usually have three minimum in 25s and two in 10s. One of our Holy Pallies took imp BoW because there are other classes that need the mp5. Our pally tank has Kings. I have imp Conc Aura. Another Holy Pally also has Kings. None of us Holy Pallies missed out on any of the crit in the Ret tree.
I have seen the EJ posts regarding Pursuit of Justice being a valuable talent. I haven't tried it so I cannot comment other than to say, again, what talents you should take depends on your situation. The fact that you are even asking the question means a great deal to begin with.
Edit: @ ekaterinodar - I see you are on Nordrassil. So am I. I remember running Ramps with Anatelnova and a hunter friend of yours at least a year ago. I healed it on Cynpaladin and cannot remember the hunter's name.
Edited, Jan 9th 2009 5:13pm by cynyck
I have seen the EJ posts regarding Pursuit of Justice being a valuable talent. I haven't tried it so I cannot comment other than to say, again, what talents you should take depends on your situation. The fact that you are even asking the question means a great deal to begin with.
Edit: @ ekaterinodar - I see you are on Nordrassil. So am I. I remember running Ramps with Anatelnova and a hunter friend of yours at least a year ago. I healed it on Cynpaladin and cannot remember the hunter's name.
Edited, Jan 9th 2009 5:13pm by cynyck
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For 5 mans and leveling, spend your points elsewhere.
For raiding at least one pally will probably want to have it, not for yourself but for other classes who still need mp5.
If your raid rolls with more than one Holy Paladin you will want one specced Holy/Ret another Holy/Prot. Imp Aura in Prot tree for healing bonus, Divine Shield negating 30% of damage for raid + 30% for Blessing of Sac = 12 seconds of tank taking 60% less damage, great for spike damage like Sartharion with drakes up etc where 12 seconds of smooth transition when a drake lands can help make learning a fight much easier.
For raiding at least one pally will probably want to have it, not for yourself but for other classes who still need mp5.
If your raid rolls with more than one Holy Paladin you will want one specced Holy/Ret another Holy/Prot. Imp Aura in Prot tree for healing bonus, Divine Shield negating 30% of damage for raid + 30% for Blessing of Sac = 12 seconds of tank taking 60% less damage, great for spike damage like Sartharion with drakes up etc where 12 seconds of smooth transition when a drake lands can help make learning a fight much easier.
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cynyck wrote:
Edit: @ ekaterinodar - I see you are on Nordrassil. So am I. I remember running Ramps with Anatelnova and a hunter friend of yours at least a year ago. I healed it on Cynpaladin and cannot remember the hunter's name.
Hey Cyn! Yes I remember you! Mooseunk is his name. He's now mainly playing Macglower. His 80 prot warrior. He's my pocket tank lol.
Right now my guild is highly under developed. Basically we have two "well experienced" players. One lesser but still experienced player. The rest are fresh newbies. The downside is we're a good month or three away from touching end game content as a group. The upside is that they are all very intelligent people who are good friends in and outside the game. The kind that want to learn and want to accomplish something as a group.
I'm one of the two "well experienced". Not compared to the player base as a whole. There are far more experienced players, which is why I'm posting here :) But I'll probably be co-leading the raid with my friend and tank and am currently the only healer. Since my main seems to be my paladin now I'll be heading up heals in the raid. So I'm trying to take the opportunity to prepare well in advance. So when other guildies get up there I can help them out and help the guild out.
Its a fun dance. Figuring out what build I need now for leveling. What I'll be using for PvP. What I'll be using for heroics in the near future. And what would be the best rounded build for getting into intro raids and preparing for the role of the lead healer in my guild. Its a whole heck of a lot of information to be swimming around in my head.
I do appreciate the help and advice and will take all of it into deep consideration.
I'm thinking of dropping improved wisdom. I would like to pick up kings. But picking up kings means dropping 3% of crit from ret talents. I'm trying to determine at what point in what situation I'll want to forfeit that 3% of crit and whatever else for that 10% boost from kings.
I've debated dropping out of the ret tree altogether and going up the prot tree for Kings, Guardian's Favor, Divine Guardian, and Imp Devotion aura but I don't think I can bring myself to do it.
I like crit. Back in BC I stacked crit over Mp5 (S2 gear, healing heroics) and it worked just fine and I enjoyed it. In fact, its the whole high intellect, crit = mana synergy that attracted me to healadins to begin with. I was never interested in the passive mana regeneration of the other healing classes.
ekaterinodar wrote:
I'm thinking of dropping improved wisdom. I would like to pick up kings. But picking up kings means dropping 3% of crit from ret talents. I'm trying to determine at what point in what situation I'll want to forfeit that 3% of crit and whatever else for that 10% boost from kings.
This is something we're also kind of struggling with. Unless you have two pally tanks in the raid someone else will have to get Kings. We are considering rotating it through our Holy Pallies and having the guild pay the respec cost. No one wants to permanently give up the crit. The Holy pally who has it now is not happy losing the crit talents in the Ret tree.
Edit: clarity
Edited, Jan 12th 2009 12:01pm by cynyck
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