Entry level stats for Naxx?Follow

Well originally I had this post bookmarked to see if anyone would answer, but now that I have gotten more information from other shamans in the MMO, I will give my input.

For Enhancement:

You want around 2800-3000 Attack Power. I currently unbuffed have about 2900 and at least 22-23%crit.( I am at 23% aprox).
The main stat that you might not focus on but it just as important is Hit Rating. You want 300 or better. ( I easily made the jump from 54 to 304 with only losing about 1k unbuffed attack power and about 1.5% crit. My problem was, though I was getting a lot of critical hits in, I was missing about 18-20% of the time in Heroics and thus only producing around 1630 DPS on 25 man Sartharion. Get your stats up, smooth out your rotation.

windfury/Flametongue on your weapons, Stormstrike, Earthshock, Lava Lash, Lightning bolt against single mobs when instant, chain lightning against multiple when instant, and keep your water shield up. Use your wolves during boss fights unless you know that the boss is more than 3 min away, use your trinkets, and use shamanistic rage before you run out of mana.

For Elemental? I am not really sure... I would assume at least 1900 Spell power unbuffed, lots of hit and 25% or so crit.

For Resto, I have heard of healers getting in with 1600-1700 self buffed healing, though I am still nub in the healing game.

I think you cant reach 1900 SP without getting NAXX gear.

I'm 3/5 T7, rest are epics. Am only at 1898 SP (not counting totem of wrath). Not even 1900 SP yet.
I had to flask to reach 2k dps. (But for some reason, DPS went to 2.2k on patch)

I would assume, as Ele, u need to be at around 1.7k dps self buffed at least, in order not feel like u're being 'carried' by the rest of the raid.

Even at 2k DPS, I'm often last on the DPS list in my guild's 10man raid (barely above the tanks).
My main contribution to the raid was --> Heroism Bot. Totems + Offheals. Sort of earned my place that way (plus knowing the fights and leading some of the encounters).

I dare say, if you're ele, don't expect to be up there in the meter rankings amongst equally geared members. And hopefully your raid members recognize that you bring more to the raid than just pure DPS.

Edited, Jan 13th 2009 10:23pm by waihwang

Thanks for this info, i was wondering whether my stats were good enough... I currently have around 2600 AP unbuffed, 21% crit and 188 hit, i always carry at least 10 elixir of accuracy to get this to about 230 - its getting me through heroics ok.

Just out of interest (slightly off topic), would you use lava lash straight after FS? I just think i could be doing loads more DPS during the cast time than the 3000 crit it pruduces, what are your thoughts?

lol my bad, i meant lava burst not lava lash.

Your rotation is pretty much the same as mine but i do like to throw the odd flame shock / lava burst combo cos i like the big yellow numbers :P

Edited for being completely wrong.

Edited, Feb 10th 2009 10:28am by Gaudion

No, you're quite right. I was lurking around EJ earlier in the week and, though no one can seem to agree on the actual value of haste, it does seem to be worth substantially more than crit (though there was also talk of a kind of "dead zone" at higher levels with sharply diminishing returns until you get over the hump).

However... as usual, that also depends on how realiably you can spec and itemize around your other guildies. I know my guild brings in a lot of different people every week on both our ten and 25-man runs, so the buffs I'll be getting at any given time is pretty much a random grab bag. So not everyone's going to be seeing a ~50% crit rate from buffs, especially in a five-man or non-heroic raid. I'd probably try to maintain at least a 30% crit rate on my own. Getting one LB to crit between LvB's can do a lot for your longevity.

17%
-3% (talents)
-3% (Misery [shadow priest] or Imp Faerie Fire [Boomkin])
-1% (Draenei Racial Aura)
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10% alliance (11% horde)

1% = 26.23 hit rating

Alliance with all buffs = 262.3
Horde with all buffs = 288.5

Alliance without misery = 340.9
Horde without misery = 367.2



Current theory is 450 rating - 550 rating is a "dead" zone where you gain little dps. Also, any haste over 50% will start to see diminishing returns since it won't lower the GCD and lowering the GCD for Flame Shock, Chain Lightning, and Lava Burst is "important." So, you'd start to see problems at that gear level.



There's not really a "crit cap" per se. Obviously 100% is better than 99%. There's never really a reason to stack crit though. Spellpower will always be far better in the event that you did manage to reach the haste cap.



Well, the cool thing about elemental shaman is they can determine their mana consumption much like an arcane mage. They can cut Chain Lightning out of the rotation (if they use it at all) and become MUCH more mana efficient. Couple this with Thunderstorm, water shield, and mana spring... and you get the picture. :P

Edited, Feb 4th 2009 7:22pm by Jiade

I'm elemental and hit 80 maybe 3 weeks ago. I've started running heroics.

Spell power: 1400 (not counting ToW which boosts it by like 200)
Crit chance: 17%
Haste rating: 24
Mana Regen: 366 (without water sheild+glyph)
Hit rating: 24

Okay, i have over 16k mana and with all the Mana Regen i'm getting, its very rare to drop beneath 8k mana ever, unless the healer dies and i have to heal.

Spell power as a caster is probably the most important. In the end the more spell power you have, the better off you will be.

Haste is almost of equal importance. I talked to a shammy who had his lightning bolt down to 1.35 sec cast (down from 2 secs) and you do a significant more amount of damage.

Crit chance isnt near as important. For boss fights we have the elemental mastery which boosts crit chance. Plus with flame shock+lava burst i get a 7k crit each time i cast.

My hit rating is 24, i havent missed with one spell since i hit 80.

So i would have to say
1. Spell Power
2. Haste (right behind)
3. Crit rating
4. Mana Regen
5. Hit Rating

Anyone saying hit rating is important, don't yell at me :). Just saying that for me, i havent missed a spell yet.

Oh and posts are right. stay enchance while you collect ele gear

Fixed

That was forgiving.

Three weeks is more than enough time to get a feel for your hit/miss ratio. It would take an aversion to reality beyond what acid could do for you to not notice that you were missing spells. Seriously. You would have to reject the current reality and substitute your own.

It's also not a matter of whether you can get away with it pre-Naxx or not. You can. By all means, you can. Hell, I was pulling 1.8-2k DPS with zero hit rating in Naxx, let alone heroics, which is already better than a depressingly large percentage of the DPS I've seen in there.

The only possible way to not notice that you're missing spells is to just not look for it. It's the proverbial elephant in the room. It takes a profound lack of understand not to see that, and a completely unsubstantiated opinion to suggest that hit rating is at the bottom of your desireable stat priority. Five minutes of research and you'd find that it's not only at the top of Elemental stat priority, but at the top of the list for every DPS spec for every class.

Ignorance is not a fault. If you don't know, then you honestly don't know. No one starts out knowing everything. You need to research lots of FAQs, talk to other people, you can armory others, or (and this is a real shocker) do some actual in-game tests yourself. But you shouldn't be trying to teach until you've done your homework yourself, and if you do, then you shouldn't be surprised when other people shoot you to pieces.

I don't need to see any more Elemental Shaman doing 1.2k DPS at 80.

No no no no no no.

You need hit rating.

Same level: 4%
+1: 5%
+2: 6% (Heroic level "bosses")
+3: 17% (Raid level bosses)

So if you are doing heroics, you should have ~6% hit. If you are raiding you need 17% total. With talents, you gain 3%. If you are Draenei, that's another 1%. So for a heroic, you will only be missing 2% of the time with 0 hit rating. So, with 24 hit rating you are probably at the 1% miss rate (which isn't very noticeable). If you were to run raids, you'd see a DRAMATIC increase in misses.

Gold.

Rigid Autumn's Glow is the best +16 hit, unless you are a Jewelcrafter, which then it would be Rigid Dragon's Eye +27 hit.