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#1 Dec 31 2008 at 2:42 AM Rating: Decent
Hey guys

I have been reading these forums for a while now (on advise) and to be honest i'm now really confused on what spec to take for DPS. There seem to be a strong sway towards fel/ember (0/41/30). What would be the best way for me to go to improve my dps? (i do about 700-800 atm) please add links so i can see where the points have to go as at the moment i am still trying to learn stuff so just putting down the numbers doesn't mean to much to me (-:

I know my gear really SUCKS at the moment (here it is for a laugh)

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Chamber+of+Aspects&n=Talonfireiv

I know i now need to sort out my stats as i have got them all wrong at the moment i.e

1. hit (untill capped)
2. Spell damage
3. Haste
4. Crit

Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks for your time (-:

Talonfireiv
#2 Dec 31 2008 at 3:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Afliction is proving to be the top dps spec currently, and if you check my character's spec you'll find the top contender for best dps being 53/1/17. the glyphing is still hard to decide on.. I'm using CoA, immolate and SL glyphs, but some people choose the imp glyph over CoA. saying this though, i'm going to change the spec slightly for solo purposes.. going to remove imp.lifetap and 1/3 imp.imp for 3/3 felconcentration (or might just go to 2/3, see if that's enough and keep 1/3 imp.imp) as i need felconcentration for whenever I solo onyxia, and i'd rather not spent half the gold i earn from her on re-specing each time... lol

anyways, back to the dps... with my current gear and spec, I pushed out 5k dps on patchwork last night and I still can get quite a few large(noticable dps increase) gear upgrades (head, shoulders, chest and weapon being the things that the upgrades for would make a noticable difference)

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in terms of suggestions.. you need hit.. lots of hit, so the moment you ding 80, start doing heroics and use the atlasloot mod to find all the bosses you need that can drop gear with high hit rating. you need minimum 289 hit rating in a 10-25man raid, but for heroics and pvp, if you go my spec, you only need 79 hit rating (but you should still collect lots of hit gear for when you eventually get to the 10 man instances)

Edited, Dec 31st 2008 6:39am by Jenovaomega
#3 Jan 01 2009 at 12:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Jenova that build is wrong in a number of ways mate. Im not even going into it because it's New Years and I'm too tired, but dont go referring to that build as the 'number one DPS build' or anything.
#4 Jan 01 2009 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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GO ON, try and dis-prove the spec. I pushed out 5k dps with it on my last patchwerk and prior to changing to this spec i had 3 less gear upgrades and the old spec, for which i managed 4.3k dps. now i'm not gonna get a 700dps increase from 3 items. here are some the reason why the spec works so well:

1. imp does more damage than felhound in general, so specing into the decreased cast time and increase in its damage is worthwhile. the decreased cast time works out as a 20% dps increase to the pet.

2. everything else is the same as the rest of the previous spec.

3. the only better spec is this version of 53/1/17 if you're at the 14% hit cap (presuming 3% debuff, or 17% hit cap without debuffs) in which you have felconcentration for a slight personal dps increase due to less push-back issues and then the 6% increase in SB and haunt damage from after you crit.

sinstralis, I'm surprised you're challenging me when it comes to warlocks, haven't I proved my knowledge enough over the past few years? in terms of 'no.1 dps' i'm going by currently available gear levels. come uldar and some of the already known destro changes, destro could beat it with the right balance of stats.. but that's just it.. it needs a specific balance. afliction simply does insane damage right now and i've yet to find someone who can beat me beyond being massively outgeared (which is becoming less and less likely). give me a few more weeks and i should have near perfect gear and 5.5k dps would be more than easy.

also finally, i'm not doing the "zomg it's my spec so must be top dps", i'm going by months of testing different specs + others testing it + theorycrafting and trust me, this one is simply beating all the others in maximum achievable dps (yes there will be certain fights where different specs are more viable, but on average, and in the 'perfect scenario... which patchwerk is pretty much, this spec comes out top.)
#5 Jan 01 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
I've never been one to worry much about my DPS and this may sound newbish, but when you run an instance and they pop up that DPS chart like:

1. highest dps - a number (another number, a %)
2.
3.
4.
5. lowest dps - a number (another number, a %)

I know, that "chart" kinda sucks, but I hope you get the idea.

Is the "a number" the total dmg you delt?
Is the "another number" your dps?
I'm unsure what the % is for.

Anyway, Jenova says they do 5k dps and it's a good build, right? Well if my thoughts on the dps chart I showed above, when I did a run through HoL the other day, my "another number" was nearly 10k (high 9k something). Was that saying I was pushing 10k dps?

I'm a demonology spec (link in sig).

If my understanding of that dps chart is wrong, feel free to ignore this post.
#6 Jan 01 2009 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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the "a number" is total damage done for (that fight/that boss/total instance, depending on what it says) the "another number" is your dps and the % is what % of total damage done was done by you. and i presume you were AoEing in HoL then, 'cos well.. pretty much all trash is aoeable so getting a high dps is easy like that. heck my personal 'aoe' dps record is 18k, but it's only aoe so i simply ignore it. the dps figures that count are boss figures, and from them Patchwerk is considered 'the boss' to count due to the way the encounter works.
#7 Jan 01 2009 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
Thank you for that info. Wasn't too sure on the chart.

How I fight a mob:

Send in felguard.
Cast Immolate.
Cast Corruption.
Cast Curse of Agony.
Wand or SB until it's dead.

If their are multiple mobs:

Same as above.
After CoA is cast, I send the felguard to the next mob and DoT it up. Occasionally I throw in a SoC, if their are still multiple mobs around.
#8 Jan 01 2009 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for that info. Wasn't too sure on the chart.

How I fight a mob:

Send in felguard.
Cast Immolate.
Cast Corruption.
Cast Curse of Agony.
Wand or SB until it's dead.

If their are multiple mobs:

Same as above.
After CoA is cast, I send the felguard to the next mob and DoT it up. Occasionally I throw in a SoC, if their are still multiple mobs around.


Just curious, why would you cast Immolate first? If you put up Corruption and Curse of Agony first, the DoT ticks are going on while you're casting immolate. At least, that's the way i've always looked at it. Does the GCD have something to do with it?
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#9 Jan 01 2009 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
I cast immolate first because it's the only dot I cast with a casting time, other than the occasional SoC. But the order doesn't really matter, does it?
#10 Jan 02 2009 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
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for bosses it does, you'd want to cast CoA and corruption first for a chance that they'll proc molton core before you finish casting immolate
#11 Jan 03 2009 at 1:00 AM Rating: Decent
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But the order doesn't really matter, does it?


Why doesn't it?

Corruption
1 sec GCD
Curse of Agony
1 sec GCD
Start casting Immolate
nearly 2 ticks have gone by since immolate goes off.

That's the way I look at it, of course, maybe i'm wrong. lol.
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#12 Jan 04 2009 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
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zafire has the reasoning right, though the order is wrong. you want to cast CoA first (2sec dot interval unlike corruptions 3sec) and then COR. this way you get 2-3 dot ticks (depending on lag). also just have to poin out that the GCD after corruption will be 1.5sec, not 1sec
#13 Jan 04 2009 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
So I cast them in the "wrong" order? I'd been casting them in the order I said above, casting the longer to cast ones first. That way, while I was casting immolate, the felguard was getting the agro. Though I can see what you're pointing out. While I cast immolate, I could have corruption and CoA already on the mob, dealing damage. Next time I play, I'll try the order you suggest.
#14 Jan 05 2009 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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well the order im suggesting (CoA > COR > imm) is a pve raiding order to maxmise your dps. if you're talking only about solo... well then depending on the mobs health i'm likely to just forget about CoA due to it ticking for alot less than COR.
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