So I am a druid tank starting Naxxramas (so far 3/15, cleared the Spider Wing tonight, yay!). My profile is right here if you'd like to look at it. Some of the pieces are in flux; I plan on getting the Essence of the Gossamer to replace my Darkmoon Card, and getting a Ring of Earthen Might to replace one of the rings (probably the Staunch Signet, although it's a more defensively focused ring). Some of the epic JC items may come later.
But I'm having a tough time deciding on items to spend my emblems on.
My options are as follows:
1. Chained Military Gorget. Probably the major one that catches my eye. It's an awesome defensive item except that it's missing armor. I don't know if the 1k+ armor I get from my current necklace is worth keeping or not, but it seems to lower the priority.
2. T7 Chestpiece. It's nice, but... not amazing. I lose a LOT of stamina if I get it, but the only real mitigation I receive is a good amount of agility and a small amount of expertise. I wish it had some dodge, or some more stamina. Getting this I'll lose around 700-1k hp, I think.
3. T7 gloves. Pretty much inferior in every way to the ones I have now (from CoT Strat quest).
4. The belt is a clear downgrade.
5. The trinkets. One is a good DPS boost, but I keep threat fine. The other is a great dodge bonus with a nice "OH NOES!" button too. However, again my problem is giving up the armor that even ye olde Badge of Tenacity provides. I have VERY low armor; like, 21k low. After the next patch it should go up a decent amount, but I still worry.
I think the main problem is my focus on armor and health. I love having 45k buffed health. But I hate having 21k unbuffed armor, and losing even more (by replacing a trinket or my necklace) is worrisome. What should I do? I realize that by the next patch I'll upgrade the necklace and trinket anyway; should I do it pre-patch and take the armor reduction? Or should I focus on getting the T7 chest, even if it takes down my health a whole lot?
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Coming from someone who isn't 80 yet but is looking to his own future...
If the armor changes in the next patch affect neck too like I think they do (insofar as you won't be getting a multiplier on that neck anymore), then the Chained Military Gorget is your better option.
Mirror of Truth looks hot for kitty. I'd rather have a Darkmoon: Greatness with agility buff on it and that Essence of Gossamer than the badge trinket.
DPS waist is pretty hot for kitty too, even if a downgrade for tanking.
Could buy a frozen orb for Polar Belt, which *would* be a bit of an upgrade in terms of mitigation, if only slightly.
I don't like the idea of getting tiered gear with badges since it drops from teh raids too, and raiding again if you don't get the token just gets you more badges for later. We know there will be more and better badge gear so no point in 'wasting' them on that, best save them if there's nothing to spend on (especially considering they've acknowledged we need a tanking idol, no doubt will be badge gear).
Take all this with a grain of salt, like I said I'm just going based on your armory and what my plans are, I don't raid yet ^^
If the armor changes in the next patch affect neck too like I think they do (insofar as you won't be getting a multiplier on that neck anymore), then the Chained Military Gorget is your better option.
Mirror of Truth looks hot for kitty. I'd rather have a Darkmoon: Greatness with agility buff on it and that Essence of Gossamer than the badge trinket.
DPS waist is pretty hot for kitty too, even if a downgrade for tanking.
Could buy a frozen orb for Polar Belt, which *would* be a bit of an upgrade in terms of mitigation, if only slightly.
I don't like the idea of getting tiered gear with badges since it drops from teh raids too, and raiding again if you don't get the token just gets you more badges for later. We know there will be more and better badge gear so no point in 'wasting' them on that, best save them if there's nothing to spend on (especially considering they've acknowledged we need a tanking idol, no doubt will be badge gear).
Take all this with a grain of salt, like I said I'm just going based on your armory and what my plans are, I don't raid yet ^^
1) You won't get the armor bonus from neck pieces in the next patch. Sucks but they make up for it from a talent (66% more armor from leather items)
2) I agree that it's not amazing or even that big of an upgrade from some blues. I have the badges for this but haven't picked it up yet either. I see you're wearing the Polar Vest, I'm still on the wall about that as it has no AP/Agi/Dodge.
3) The quested gloves from CoT are being nerfed in the next patch. I know I'll be looking into T7 gloves at that point.
4) This is another annoyance of mine. The emblem gear and the heroic drops are the same iLevel. Your belt is a better belt for tanking than the emblem one but I like Sharp-Barbed Leather Belt even more. Dropped in heroic Utgarde Keep.
5) The trinket is losing its' armor bonus in the next patch along with rings, neck and weapon so this won't be as useful. An upgrade to this trinket is in Heroic Gundrak - Offering of Sacrifice but I wouldn't sweat it at this point.
I wouldn't think this much of an issue. We're not even that far into Wrath and I already have over 330 badges and I've slowed down a LOT. I've only picked up the emblem item for resto idol and the rest are only very slight upgrades. As I don't have issues healing heroics and I'm better geared than the other healers in my guild I don't find this to be much of an issue. I'd say spend the badges where they make sense then save the rest for later.
I also have to say your stamina is amazing. I'm at 30.5k unbuffed with 29k armor and about 34% dodge and I have every heroic instance drop that I can get.
Edited, Dec 29th 2008 10:22am by SkibumOnShiva
2) I agree that it's not amazing or even that big of an upgrade from some blues. I have the badges for this but haven't picked it up yet either. I see you're wearing the Polar Vest, I'm still on the wall about that as it has no AP/Agi/Dodge.
3) The quested gloves from CoT are being nerfed in the next patch. I know I'll be looking into T7 gloves at that point.
4) This is another annoyance of mine. The emblem gear and the heroic drops are the same iLevel. Your belt is a better belt for tanking than the emblem one but I like Sharp-Barbed Leather Belt even more. Dropped in heroic Utgarde Keep.
5) The trinket is losing its' armor bonus in the next patch along with rings, neck and weapon so this won't be as useful. An upgrade to this trinket is in Heroic Gundrak - Offering of Sacrifice but I wouldn't sweat it at this point.
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I don't like the idea of getting tiered gear with badges since it drops from teh raids too
I wouldn't think this much of an issue. We're not even that far into Wrath and I already have over 330 badges and I've slowed down a LOT. I've only picked up the emblem item for resto idol and the rest are only very slight upgrades. As I don't have issues healing heroics and I'm better geared than the other healers in my guild I don't find this to be much of an issue. I'd say spend the badges where they make sense then save the rest for later.
I also have to say your stamina is amazing. I'm at 30.5k unbuffed with 29k armor and about 34% dodge and I have every heroic instance drop that I can get.
Edited, Dec 29th 2008 10:22am by SkibumOnShiva
I think you may have made some purchases since posting, since your armory now shows with the tanking trinket and neck. I think it'd be worth upping that dodge -- which you probably just did with the above two purchases. The chest would help improve your mitigation even more, albeit at the cost of sta (but you've got sta to burn). Also, the mirror of truth is quite nice for grinding and for a dps set. But I agree on the tier gear, which is only marginally better than heroic blues. The emblem shopping list is a little underwhelming.
tuskerdu wrote:
I think you may have made some purchases since posting, since your armory now shows with the tanking trinket and neck. I think it'd be worth upping that dodge -- which you probably just did with the above two purchases. The chest would help improve your mitigation even more, albeit at the cost of sta (but you've got sta to burn). Also, the mirror of truth is quite nice for grinding and for a dps set. But I agree on the tier gear, which is only marginally better than heroic blues. The emblem shopping list is a little underwhelming.
Quite right; this morning I bought those two. My dodge is now around 32.x% unbuffed. My armor is now hanging around 20-21k. Ouch.
How are people getting these high armor values? I assume it's with necklace/trinkets/rings/staff, but what do you plan on doing with the next patch? I feel really uncomfortable with only having 58% armor mitigation o_O. It's so bad that I'm considering running UK heroic again to get back an Enraged Feral Staff. That 700 armor will be great until the patch, although I really like my epic staff right now.
New legs are waiting for you in Gundrak. They drop often enough.
The waist from H UK never drops. That guy hates me. I may break down and craft the Trollwoven Girdle gem it and equip it just so the thing will drop after I spend the money.
Keystone Great-Ring from Heroic Drak’Tharon and Hemorrhaging Circle from Heroic Gundrak would also both be nice upgrades. Haven't seen them drop yet but only recently started farming them. By recently I mean yesterday.
Essence of Gossamer is awesome btw. As for the other trinket I have no idea what to do as use procs tend to not get used often enough by me to want them.
I will take an armor hit in the next patch. Of course I am cheating with armor rings and an old armor heavy back. Well I have the new back on I guess as I got it chanted.
Any one hear when this patch is going to finally hit? Or when they going to add a tanking idol?
The waist from H UK never drops. That guy hates me. I may break down and craft the Trollwoven Girdle gem it and equip it just so the thing will drop after I spend the money.
Keystone Great-Ring from Heroic Drak’Tharon and Hemorrhaging Circle from Heroic Gundrak would also both be nice upgrades. Haven't seen them drop yet but only recently started farming them. By recently I mean yesterday.
Essence of Gossamer is awesome btw. As for the other trinket I have no idea what to do as use procs tend to not get used often enough by me to want them.
I will take an armor hit in the next patch. Of course I am cheating with armor rings and an old armor heavy back. Well I have the new back on I guess as I got it chanted.
Any one hear when this patch is going to finally hit? Or when they going to add a tanking idol?
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Any one hear when this patch is going to finally hit? Or when they going to add a tanking idol?
No idea, but Idol of Perspicacious Attacks isn't too bad for now. More threats on both bear AoE type moves is pretty much just what the doctor ordered right now.
I'd recommend to Locke to focus less on stamina stacking (once you get enough EH to survive any boss's max burst, the rest is mostly just e-peen, and you don't need 45k for anything but Sarth+3, which you're far far away from if just starting Naxx) and more on armor (Enraged Feral Staff as mentioned, armor rings are fairly plentiful, there's an armor trinket in Gundrak which you should be hitting up for the legs anyway) and dodge (agi to staff, say bye to those Polar pieces until you're working on Sarth+3, etc. etc.). With that much hp and so little armor and dodge, you're just a big fat furry mana sponge. And what's up with the stam/def gems? I'd recommend going stam/hit for threat to hit yellows, esp. since your hit is low as it is. Armor on trinkets, rings, and weaps might be taking a hit after the patch, but this is now, and it will still not be a bad stat afterward in any case.
Edited, Dec 29th 2008 1:27pm by Theophastus
I'm not sure precisely where I get my 28k armor (rings and Gundrak trinket I believe) but you can find out here:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Icecrown&n=Naturecow
Note that my gear is an odd mashup of dps/tank stuff since I switch between OT and dps in 10-man Naxx and dont have enough goodies for two separate sets.
As Theophastus said, you don't have to worry too much about sta. If you have high 20s that should be fine for 10-man Naxx. Higher armor and dodge is worth more than stamina at that point.
After the patch I imagine all of us will take a hit on our ring/trinket armor but that will be correspondingly buffed by main set armor increases. I'm mentally prepared to lose 1k - 2k. The solution, of course, is to work on dodge.
Edited, Dec 29th 2008 3:02pm by tuskerdu
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Icecrown&n=Naturecow
Note that my gear is an odd mashup of dps/tank stuff since I switch between OT and dps in 10-man Naxx and dont have enough goodies for two separate sets.
As Theophastus said, you don't have to worry too much about sta. If you have high 20s that should be fine for 10-man Naxx. Higher armor and dodge is worth more than stamina at that point.
After the patch I imagine all of us will take a hit on our ring/trinket armor but that will be correspondingly buffed by main set armor increases. I'm mentally prepared to lose 1k - 2k. The solution, of course, is to work on dodge.
Edited, Dec 29th 2008 3:02pm by tuskerdu
Why my armor is so high:
Keystone Great-Ring
Torta's Oversized Choker
Iceforged Battle Ring
Offering of Sacrifice
Yes I'll probably take a hit when the armor multiplier is no longer useful on these items but they are still very good items to have.
Keystone Great-Ring
Torta's Oversized Choker
Iceforged Battle Ring
Offering of Sacrifice
Yes I'll probably take a hit when the armor multiplier is no longer useful on these items but they are still very good items to have.
I am new to tanking and was debating on what badge gear to buy as well. At this point I'm about 31k unbuffed hp's, so I was taking the viewpoint of pure stamina. I had almost 100% of the heroic drops and I really didn't find any STA upgrades for the badge gear. I believe the T7 gloves are a downgrade at least stamina wise from the ones I have. I did purchase the T7 chest which was an u/g for me.
Right now I'm running heroic az nerub for the Essence of Gossamer and after that not sure what I'll get. I just wanted to add my 2 pence on the badge gear, stamina-wise I wasn't impressed at all.
Right now I'm running heroic az nerub for the Essence of Gossamer and after that not sure what I'll get. I just wanted to add my 2 pence on the badge gear, stamina-wise I wasn't impressed at all.
It's so easy to get high stamina with heroic drops and crafted gear that I think what the emblem tank gear best offers us is mitigation. So the tank neck comes with decent dodge, the t7 chest gives more through better agi than the available heroic drops, etc. The hands will be an upgrade after that absurd quest reward from CoT Strat gets nerfed, and the trinket is a nice ******** button with good dodge. I know my goal, once I get another 1k or so health, is to get to 40% dodge. I'd rather have that than crack 30k unbuffed health (though I'd really rather have both).
Tusker,
Yeah, being new to tanking I'm trying to figure out that balance of dodge and stamina myself. Right now I lean towards more STA, but that's probably what a noob tank would do. I think my dodge is about 33% right now which could use some work.
You do make a good point about the badge gear mainly offering avoidance for us though.
I did look up that nerf on the Preserved History Handwraps and the STA on those it looks like will be 73, down from 100. I don't have the T7 glove info handy, but they most likely will be superior now. I just wanted to add that!
Edited, Dec 29th 2008 4:54pm by Jedius
Yeah, being new to tanking I'm trying to figure out that balance of dodge and stamina myself. Right now I lean towards more STA, but that's probably what a noob tank would do. I think my dodge is about 33% right now which could use some work.
You do make a good point about the badge gear mainly offering avoidance for us though.
I did look up that nerf on the Preserved History Handwraps and the STA on those it looks like will be 73, down from 100. I don't have the T7 glove info handy, but they most likely will be superior now. I just wanted to add that!
Edited, Dec 29th 2008 4:54pm by Jedius
The T7 gloves will be better after the nerf. I just got them any way as the 2 piece bonus gives me an excuse to Lacerate more than I was before.
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I'm no tanking genius but back in the day when I dinged 70 I was told to gem for sta up to 16k health and then gem for agi (for dodge, crit and a little armor). I don't know if the pros have calculated when that sweet spot arrives in WotLK but there is a point at which mitigation becomes more important than raw health. If you have more than 30k health I would venture to guess you have passed it.
I am using a combo of (hit or expertise)/stamina gems and a few of the new delicate rubies for pure Agility.
I really want the agi/sta gems to come out as they would be nice for that transition when you need both stam and agility.
The sweet spot varies by content. It is more of a can you take the nastiest hit you are potentially going to get and live with a cushion of health? If yes then welcome to Avoidance Land. If no stay in Stamlandia for the time being.
hehe Stamlandia
I really want the agi/sta gems to come out as they would be nice for that transition when you need both stam and agility.
The sweet spot varies by content. It is more of a can you take the nastiest hit you are potentially going to get and live with a cushion of health? If yes then welcome to Avoidance Land. If no stay in Stamlandia for the time being.
hehe Stamlandia
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