Wrath of the Rock Paper Scissors KingFollow

I personally haven't tried ShD yet, but I personally have always thought that Mutilate destroyed a lot of classes even pre-wrath. Although, the mobility wasn't as good as ShS the burst was ridiculous.

With that being said. I have seen Akrios and his group of rogue buddies use ShD and only use garrote while in the Shadow Dance and kill a priest with white damage just because he kept using garrote to silence the priest. Granted the priest stood there and it was just a demonstration that is pretty crazy.

Deathknights are extremely powerful, but most people still aren't exactly used to them in PvP. Before too long top player will learn how to play them correctly and they will destroy most classes(at least this is what I foresee). There will always be the scrubs who just try to spam certain buttons and will be easy to kill, but they will still take awhile to kill just because of the armor and self healing ability(blood).

I'm a little upset from what I have seen from poster's discussing the lack of dps that rogues provide in wotlk. My assumption is that if the PvE dps is lack luster our PvP dps can't be any better. I'm still leveling(77), so I personally haven't had an issue with any of the wotlk problems....YET.


Edited, Dec 22nd 2008 10:44pm by Feyras

Damn I must have missed that.

I have never witnessed the "destruction" of a plate-wearing class by a rogue, especially not with gear being on the same or similar level. I did however feel like "destroying" someone whenever that wonderful Overpower icon started flashing on my warrior's screen whenever I was fighting a rogue or feral druid.

Cloth > Plate > Leather > Cloth

It has always been that way, and if you managed to kill your anti-class, it certainly wasn't a destruction. Most likely just lack of skill on the recipient's side, allowing you to come out of a fight as a winner.

You mentioned Discipline Priests. NONE of the priest's defensive spells and talents scales with gear - other than the shield. If it's not up and/or you prevent if from being applied, you damn better dish out some serious hurtin'.

Right now you're benefiting from an almost total lack of PvP gear on anybody. You're having an insanely high crit-chance, without resilience or an overabundance of stamina controlling things somewhat. It's not even something new. Until a few months ago, you had people grabbing Outland greens but staying in the 50's brackets.

It wasn't until level 70 that resilience became a major factor in all this, along with insane amounts of stamina you had to chew through somehow.

How did you do against Discipline Priests in full S3/S4 who were close to the resilience cap? 8 seconds? I don'T freaking think so...

You're currently having a big advantage over classes who rely on their passive defenses. A season or 2 of level 80 arena will take care of that eventually.

In general, I'm getting tired of all the whining about Death Knights. They're NOT the only class that needs a little bit of taming, but at this point it's just way too early to cry for nerfs on anybody.

In fact, they're just using the same thing against you that you are taking advantage of yourself. You can't dodge or parry a Rune Strike, let alone a spell, and you don't have the hit points or resilience to to just eat it. Neither do you have the resilience or hit points to make the DoTs from the diseases hurt a little less.

But rather than just sit back and think for a while, realize that this is the very first season of Level 80 PvP, everybody is just crying for nerfs already - resulting in the first ones to the DKs already being part of patch 3.0.8. Do you realize that they are the only class facing PvP nerfs right now, to cater to all the whiners?

Akrios has done no so such thing, you're thinking of Buddhist.

Well, I think it was reasonable to assume that by saying Akrios first, you meant he did it first and foremost.


Sounds like you're just bad. It was easy to destroy all ret pallies and warriors (warriors were easier) pre-3.0, but it got steadily harder until at 80 it's very challenging.



This makes sense, but as muti in 3.0 pre-Wrath I was destroying 4/5 brut and 5/5 guardian disc priests. The ones with the shoulders tended to elude me, but you can probably tell why.